Some Scattered Thoughts on Operationspost by Eli_Nathan · 2021-01-04T23:35:59.315Z · EA · GW · 4 comments
1. Decreased discussion on operations work 2. How important is alignment? depends on size hires from outside the community hires can do low-status work 3. Some flags about personal fit None 4 comments
This post is a collection of scattered thoughts I’ve had on operations at Effective Altruism organizations since I started working in the area full time a year ago. There’s no central narrative here, though I thought people might still be interested in the various thoughts outlined within. To the best of my knowledge, there hasn’t been much written on operations in the past couple of years, and I hoped to add some new ideas to the conversation.
1. Decreased discussion on operations work
Pursuing roles in operations was quite widely discussed in the EA community a couple of years ago, though the discussion seems to have tapered off since then. I expect that this is for a few reasons:
- EA organizations managed to successfully hire operations staff from outside the community, including candidates who were more new to EA.
- Members of the EA community were generally not interested or qualified for these roles.
- There are only a few EA organizations out there, and only a few roles per year, making extensive discussion on operations not suitable for a community of >10,000 people.
That said, I expect applying to operations roles to still be a good move for many, though due to the small supply of said roles, I would strongly advise applicants to have backup options.
I think many people within the EA community actually could excel at operations, but often have other things they’re better at or enjoy more (probably because competence in different areas is broadly correlated). This may make EAs falsely believe that there are plenty of people around to do these jobs, whereas in fact, these roles often have a short supply of qualified, value-aligned applicants.
2. How important is alignment?
Alignment depends on size
I think there was some subtlety lost in the discussion of how important it is for operations staff to be aligned with Effective Altruism, which is that I expect the importance of alignment to drop as an organization grows larger and is more established. Specifically, an additional hire is likely to affect company culture to a lesser extent the larger said company is and the longer it’s been around for. You can test your intuitions here by imagining how important it might be to have your first employee at a three person start-up be bought into your company’s product. Then compare this to an additional hire at Goldman Sachs — where the bank is well aware that the employee is optimizing for their own pocket. As such, I can imagine having aligned operations staff to be more important for new EA organizations or non-profits, and less important for more established ones.
Successful hires from outside the community
It appears that many EA organizations have been able to successfully hire talent from outside the community, which I think should make readers more skeptical that alignment is important for operations roles. This has partly been out of necessity, as many of these roles require domain expertise that is hard to come by amongst EAs (e.g. several years of experience doing finance at small non-profits).
Aligned hires can do low-status work
Working in operations at nonprofits is often viewed as low-status and is not as highly paid as similar roles in the for-profit sector, such that talented graduates with an operations skill-set will often end up working for prestigious companies like McKinsey or Google. If you don’t care as much about wealth or status (because you are value-aligned), you can work for an organization that could never otherwise hire someone with your skill-set. Similarly, a lot of the work that effective nonprofits need done is work that very few people actually want to do, meaning that value-aligned hires can be especially valuable. I worry that many EAs think that these jobs can easily be outsourced to people outside the community, but this can be difficult in practice: many talented university graduates simply don’t want these jobs. For value-aligned hires, there’s a sort of “butler mindset” where you’re trying to be as useful to your employer as possible, which can be incredibly valuable. To clarify, I think this also applies to some extent to other roles, such as those doing research.
3. Some flags about personal fit
Many EAs are fairly intellectual, and as such may feel like they're missing out on something by working in operations roles. Although these positions are often challenging, they tend not to be academically or intellectually stimulating in the same way as school or university. Anecdotally, several people I’ve spoken to who work in operations at EA organizations have mentioned that they miss academia or research in some form or another.
Additionally, a lot of operations work is not glamorous, and is based on what the organization most needs, rather than what is most interesting or exciting. Although operations staff are highly appreciated within the EA community and at EA organizations, these roles may still be seen as low-status to society at large — when I describe to people outside the community what I do, they generally assume that I want to do something else long-term. For some people, this may be something that’s worth bearing in mind.
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