EA Forum feature suggestion thread

post by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler), JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-06-16T16:58:58.569Z · score: 35 (13 votes) · EA · GW · 198 comments

Hello, Forum!

This is Aaron and JP of the EA Forum team. 

We spend a lot of time working on the Forum, and we’d like to hear your ideas for making it better.

Rather than post threads like this periodically, we’re just going to pin this one, so that people who find it in the future will see what suggestions have been made already.

Even if you don’t have suggestions of your own, consider upvoting ideas you like from the comments. That will have nonzero influence on the features we prioritize (though we also take many other factors into account).

If you’d rather make a suggestion privately, get in touch with us through this page [EA · GW].

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comment by Peter_Hurford · 2020-06-17T15:18:34.775Z · score: 59 (22 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

It's still a crime that we don't support tables and it's a second crime that no one else has mentioned this yet.

comment by Habryka · 2020-06-17T17:12:00.871Z · score: 10 (6 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

They are supported in the new editor which LessWrong has currently shipped if you op into beta features (and I expect will go live for everyone by default in the next two weeks or so).

comment by Peter_Hurford · 2020-06-17T17:51:52.336Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Awesome!

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-08-03T06:10:21.369Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I'm stopping by to mention that this is now live: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/CMy2ueJ9WhZFNyBGs/ea-forum-update-new-editor-and-more [EA · GW]

comment by BrianTan · 2020-06-17T02:21:37.342Z · score: 40 (18 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I'd like users to be able to attach/link a profile picture to their EA Forum profile, and that these pictures would be viewable next to their usernames in posts or comments. I think this would make the forum a bit more human and friendly!

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-06-25T18:05:21.925Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I also like this idea. In addition to the effect you describe, I think it could help your eyes track the conversation more easily. It would also add more color to the site. Here are some reasons why I currently think it’s a little too much work. First, it’s more work than it seems, because the current layout of these comments feels very unsuited for slapping in all but the tiniest of avatars. So we’d need to substantially update the comments UI as well as build the profile upload. Also it makes the experience of engaging in the comments nicer, but my current guess is most of the value comes from people writing good posts and more people reading them [EA · GW]. I don’t see the strong causal pathway between pictures and more of that happening. — Having written that, if it caused authors to find the comment section friendlier, I could imagine them having a smaller barrier to posting. OTOH, I could imagine authors being more intimidated by the “oh crap these are real people” feeling. I’d be curious to hear thoughts from authors.

comment by BrianTan · 2020-06-26T01:06:05.725Z · score: 21 (6 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Hey JP, thanks for your thoughts! When you're saying it's a little too much work, how many weeks are we talking about? I can understand how the profile upload part might take a bit long (1-2 weeks?).

For adding in the profile pictures beside author's usernames, I would think there isn't any big UI updating that has to be done there. It's only in the comments section that things might be a bit trickier. I've made mockups for my own suggestion here, including mockups for showing these on the frontpage, post header, and two different options for how to show pictures on comments. Even just showing pictures on the frontpage and beside the author's names in a forum post page would be great, if those are easier to do than adding on the comments.

But yeah it's good that you flag that the value of the forum comes from people writing posts and more people reading them. I'm also curious about what authors think on if they would prefer to have their face in posts, as well as if they prefer to see commenters' faces!

comment by Ben Pace · 2020-06-26T01:48:18.814Z · score: 15 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

+50 points for making UI mockups, makes it much more likely to get the feature.

comment by Inda · 2020-06-26T11:42:32.391Z · score: 3 (4 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I think this has bad effects also. It’ll make the site appeal more to “normal” people, and look less serious. It also doesn’t give us any useful information, but take up real estate and use up attention. It might make groupthink more prevalent, too; I personally have found my thinking is most honest when I am thinking alone and don’t plan to share them socially.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:30:49.298Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Related to this what does our user research say that new users think about the forum? Do they think it is minimalist or stark? I guess we could learn this, particularly if we want EA to be more representative of the global population.

comment by BrianTan · 2020-06-20T02:43:11.505Z · score: 7 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Yeah I think the EA Forum team could do usability testing on users if they haven't done it yet. Maybe they could do it on people interested in EA but have never visited the forum yet. I remember the first few times I visited the forum was quite daunting - long posts, usually no pictures on posts, no faces, and no onboarding.

I'm thinking that for users not logged in (which presumably means they're new to the forum?), they could be pointed to this article (maybe with some edits to make it a better first-read for new users): https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/about, [? · GW] and then they're encouraged to sign up in the end. A link to a short 2-5 minute video on the homepage about what the forum is and how to use the forum could work too.

I think some gamification for guided onboarding could work too, i.e. upvote your first article, upvote your first comment, message an author, write your first comment, write your first post, acquire x much karma (and get a badge)

Now that we have tags, tags could be part of onboarding and a more central part of the experience too. Similar to how Medium.com encourages you to follow or subscribe to certain topics.

But yeah I wouldn't want to speak ahead too much on feature suggestions without knowing what the user research and usability testing results are first! As a UI/UX designer myself, I'd much rather see user research and usability testing be done first. My experience in using the forum might not be representative.

comment by willbradshaw · 2020-06-28T13:44:11.481Z · score: 8 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I do actually quite like the UX mockups for the photo idea, which I think would have the positive effects already described (friendlier impression, easier to track comments). Here are two reasons I'm less keen:

  • People discriminate a lot based on how people look. My impression of someone on Facebook is coloured pretty strongly by their choice of profile picture, for example. I'd predict that attaching images to posts and comments would cause people to give relatively more weight to people who (a) look like them along various dimensions, and (b) have access to good, professional photographs of themselves.
  • There are a lot of users of the Forum who post anonymously or under a pseudonym. If the Forum had ubiquitous images, these users would have to either (a) use no image, (b) use a cartoon/non-human image (as is/was common in Slate Star Codex comment threads, for example), or (c) use a fake photo à la thispersondoesnotexist.com. Apart from the third option, which is ethically somewhat dubious, I think this would be significantly harmful to other users' impression of these users, especially if they are in dispute with named users with real photos, in a way I don't think we want.

Both of these effects are arguably present even in the current, text-only medium, but I think to a far lesser extent. I'm not claiming these effects would necessarily outweigh the benefits, but I think they're real and important, and on balance would currently cause me to lean against images.

(Separately, I'm pretty strongly opposed to gamification, which has a big effect on my behaviour in a way I virtually always think is bad for me. I think it's quite unlikely that the Forum will implement badges/achievements/anything of this sort except karma, but if they did I'd be quite mad. And I think it's quite important that karma is given by users in response to the content you add to the site, not the developers for jumping through hoops.)

comment by David_Moss · 2020-06-20T08:36:35.209Z · score: 29 (14 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

It would very dramatically improve my experience of the Forum if there were the option to hide posts. This would mean that the first page of the Forum would always be posts that were relevant to me. As it stands, whenever I visit the Forum most of the posts which I can see are not relevant to me (perhaps because I've already read them and don't want to read them again or check in on the ongoing discussion), whereas posts which are relevant to me and which I would want to visit again are invisible if they are more than a few days old.

comment by Jason Schukraft · 2020-06-16T17:41:05.518Z · score: 29 (16 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I'd like to see the experimental sequences feature rolled out to all users.

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-06-25T18:05:45.765Z · score: 5 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Soon™️

comment by richard_ngo · 2020-06-16T18:37:55.551Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

+1 on this, and on curated posts. (As also discussed here [EA · GW]).

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-08-03T06:13:16.976Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I'm stopping by to mention that this is now live: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/CMy2ueJ9WhZFNyBGs/ea-forum-update-new-editor-and-more [EA · GW]

comment by Derek · 2020-06-17T22:04:42.759Z · score: 26 (13 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Level 3 headings should be supported. Unless it's changed recently, it currently jumps from Level 2 to Level 4, which makes it hard to logically format complex documents.

comment by willbradshaw · 2020-06-24T21:23:38.803Z · score: 6 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Strongly agree with this, have been very frustrated in the past with how the Forum (via LessWrong) coerces my header usage.

It looks bad in the sidebar too.

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-06-25T18:06:55.635Z · score: 4 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

It has. We no longer apply the same styling to h2 and h3. While you still can’t create h3s using the editor, you can paste in from google docs and they will appear correctly. Sorry for not mentioning this anywhere, it’s such an invisible change — I don’t know what I was thinking.

(Unfortunately, I will need to remake this change once the new editor ships. LessWrong does not want its posts to have more than 3 levels of headings [h1, h2 and bold text]. I don’t think that’s the right choice for the EA Forum, but sometimes their updates won’t be checked for compatibility with minor features of the Forum).

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-08-10T10:27:06.352Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

The new editor has shipped (still just to beta users) but I have just reintroduced h3s.

comment by Jason Schukraft · 2020-06-16T17:41:33.313Z · score: 22 (15 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I'd like the Forum to support superscript and subscript.

comment by Habryka · 2020-06-18T17:10:29.343Z · score: 4 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

This is also supported in the new editor.

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-08-03T06:26:12.645Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

While these are supported in the new editor, users can't access the functionality yet. However, subscript is currently possible in Markdown:

Adding subscript to my post

You need to start the subscript with a tilde, then put a backslash after every word but the last word (the closing tilde goes after the last word).

For example, see lines 2 and 14 of this file.

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-20T13:00:32.417Z · score: 18 (8 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Option to @mention usernames.

Should have something like an autocomplete and an opt-out-able notification/mail whenever one is mentioned. 

comment by HaukeHillebrandt · 2020-06-24T22:27:43.971Z · score: 16 (9 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

1. Could analytics be displayed on the forum? I think it'd be interesting to people to see how many people read different posts. This is also related to the question re: the forum prize - I reckon many authors would be more motivated by seeing that their posts are widely read than by a cash prize.

2. I often see very long posts that jump right into the introduction without summary. Could one introduce a field that is mandatory if a posts is more than 300 words long that forces the author to provide a 200 characters (or so) summary? Or something like this:

https://www.elsevier.com/authors/journal-authors/highlights

could even be added by the mods.

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-06-25T06:27:32.542Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

On (2), we've considered adding a summary field in the editor, but I don't think we'd make it mandatory unless we did so for a much larger character count. Whether or not we eventually implement that, I encourage anyone reading this to include summaries in their long posts!

Thanks for providing the Elsevier link -- I could imagine us linking to that as an example of how one might compose a summary.

comment by Gregory_Lewis · 2020-06-20T07:53:23.878Z · score: 16 (8 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

On-site image hosting for posts/comments? This is mostly a minor QoL benefit, and maybe there would be challenges with storage. Another benefit would be that images would not vanish if their original source does.

comment by Ben Pace · 2020-06-20T16:50:37.959Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

The new editor has this! :)

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-08-03T06:32:26.828Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I'm stopping by to mention that this is now live: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/CMy2ueJ9WhZFNyBGs/ea-forum-update-new-editor-and-more [EA · GW]

comment by Khorton · 2020-06-17T17:57:35.120Z · score: 15 (7 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Can I opt out of Forum favourites? I'm sorry but I hate it

comment by David_Kristoffersson · 2020-06-18T08:19:26.670Z · score: 21 (9 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Variant of Korthon's comment:

I never look at the "forum favorites" section. It seems like it's looked the same forever and it takes up a lot of screen real estate without any use for me!

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-08-10T10:23:14.303Z · score: 9 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I just updated this section [EA(p) · GW(p)] and it now shows randomized posts.

comment by Habryka · 2020-06-18T17:08:56.733Z · score: 6 (4 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Same is true for me (as the person who built the feature). On LessWrong the recommendations are randomized but for some reason on the EA Forum the admins/devs decided to always have them be strictly ordered by the latest highest karma posts you haven’t read, so they never change, and inevitably end up in a configuration where you’re not interested in any of the posts.

comment by willbradshaw · 2020-06-25T13:57:49.735Z · score: 7 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I agree, I think the Forum has enough very-high-karma content now that randomising it here as well would be a good idea.

comment by MichaelDickens · 2020-06-20T01:43:39.768Z · score: 11 (6 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I also don't like this feature, although we should be aware that this feature is most helpful for new users, and new users are probably under-represented in this thread.

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-06-25T18:07:28.515Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I agree it isn’t great. This was slated for a redesign, but then I deprioritized it. I should probably revisit what the right thing to do is. I’ve been meaning to randomize it, as Habryka mentioned. (I want it to not be randomized when you're logged out, which is why it’s like this. It’s supposed to be a way for newcomers to see the best of the Forum, so they don’t get lost in the weekly churn.) Maybe just randomizing it for logged-in users would be enough, but an option to hide it seems good, if more work.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:03:34.378Z · score: 14 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Thanks so much to the team for their work. I really like the layout of this forum. It's clean and pleasant to use.

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-06-25T23:21:04.888Z · score: 6 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Thank you! Most of design credit goes to the LessWrong team, whose depth of focus on design I admire.

comment by siobhanbrenton · 2020-06-17T23:28:02.054Z · score: 14 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

While I think LaTeX is useful, it is not very intuitive or user friendly and posting long curated articles is quite tedious. It would be nice to have a feature like Elementor.

I think there would be a lot of value in a detailed how-to document for content creators explaining each step needed to go from a GDoc or WordDoc to a forum post. This would optimally include a directory for keywords like footnotes, typographical emphasis, Title/Header/Normal text functions, etc.

comment by willbradshaw · 2020-06-25T13:58:55.310Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

The reference to LaTeX here isn't very clear to me. Does Elementor provide an alternative equation-rendering system? Or did you mean something else?

comment by saulius · 2020-07-01T08:36:58.119Z · score: 13 (7 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Double the karma weight of votes made before the new karma system was implemented. All votes used to be worth one point. For example, let's take an old post like this [EA · GW]. It currently has 43 karma and 43 votes (probably all of them are upvotes). For comparison, my newest post has 53 karma and 16 upvotes. If you think about it, that old post is clearly more endorsed by the community. There were fewer readers when it was posted and a very high percentage of them chose to upvote it and probably many would have strongly upvoted if that was an option. Nowadays, even a regular upvote by high-karma users is worth two points. Posts like that old post do not appear in forum favourites and other places like that but they should. If you doubled the karma of such old posts, the karma for that old one would be 86 instead of 43 - a much better representation of how much the community endorses that post. Ah, maybe you should even triple the karma weight. Posts like this [EA · GW] would then actually make forum favourites and I think they should.

comment by Larks · 2020-07-01T12:32:38.743Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Changing the raw totals sounds confusing, but you could implement some form of regularisation in ranking contexts - for example karma relative to total karma across all posts for that month.

It is a little strange that if I go to an old post I upvoted, un-upvote, and then re-upvote, its karma increases I think.

comment by saulius · 2020-07-01T12:41:48.947Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

It's not just about ranking. It's also about how much karma individual users have and (most importantly) about how worthy-of-reading a post looks when you open it based on its karma. I think that the situation where all votes made before the new system are worth one karma point is no less confusing than a system where they are worth two karma points.

comment by Linch · 2020-07-01T08:38:46.705Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Triple sounds approximately right to me in terms of relative weighting.

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-06-20T06:43:47.581Z · score: 13 (4 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Sans-serif font in body text! The comments section is absolutely beautiful to read, but I find the body text of posts very difficult. Most blogs and online news sources seem to use sans-serif, probably for readability.

Alternatively, give users the option to pick their own font. Also, maybe make text black instead of a lighter grey?

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-08-03T06:43:40.360Z · score: 6 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

When you say "make text black instead of a lighter grey," are you referring to all of the Forum's light-grey text (e.g. voting buttons, section subtitles), or something more specific?

I tried to check on the "sans-serif is easier to read" claim but didn't find conclusive evidence; checking Google Scholar, the first study of computer readability I saw found that serif fonts were easier to read. (This is just one study, of course, and knowing that the Forum's specific body type is tough for some people really helps us.)

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-08-04T06:10:21.049Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I meant the body text of posts could be darker - I wouldn't change the buttons or other light-grey text.

Interesting that the study found serif fonts more readable. I'm not aware of conclusive evidence in either direction, I'd just heard folk wisdom that sans-serif is more readable on a computer screen.

My general opinion is that the comments section on this forum is extremely easy to read and clean to look at, some of my favorite formatting anywhere, but personally I find the body text of posts much more difficult to read than most sites. I wonder what most people think, I wouldn't expect everyone to have the same experience.

comment by meerpirat · 2020-06-17T14:39:57.195Z · score: 13 (10 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I'd like to have the option to make polls within a post. I recently wrote a short question post to see if an idea seems promising and I got a couple of upvotes and no comments. Having the option to get quick and cheap feedback from the community would've been useful.

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-06-25T18:07:48.088Z · score: 10 (4 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

The bucket this falls in for me is ... Widgets! I really want to make widgets. For example, making it so authors could add a button to donate. This is planned, but not concretely.

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-06-23T08:03:03.277Z · score: 4 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

In case you haven't seen it, I created the Facebook group Effective Altruism Polls for this use case. Response rates are generally pretty high!

comment by tilboy · 2020-06-16T19:03:45.082Z · score: 13 (11 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

i would find it helpful to establish a norm to begin posts with a short (!) 'tl;dr'-section which summarizes the main results/arguments of the article, since sometimes it is hard to tell what a post is about only from the title/the preview one gets by hovering over the link.

comment by willbradshaw · 2020-06-29T12:26:04.789Z · score: 5 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I think it's already quite common for commenters on posts without these to request them; is there something in the UI you'd like to change to encourage this?

comment by tilboy · 2020-06-30T08:59:09.819Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

if im not mistaken, when you hover over the link to a post you just see the beginning of the post, right? this sometimes is not very useful. maybe you could give post creators another text field ("thumbnail"/"preview"/"tl;dr") where they can explicitly fill in what should be shown when hovering over the link. this field should probably be character limited then. this text should be displayed at the top of the post, too. (and if posters dont fill it out it could just fall back to showing the beginning of the post).

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-06-30T18:40:09.169Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

What you describe is almost exactly identical to an admin feature that we have from LessWrong. Which isn't much help to you yet, but might get released more widely.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:28:28.509Z · score: 3 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

This needn't be written by the author - it could be added by higher karma readers, for instance.

comment by tilboy · 2020-06-22T16:49:48.526Z · score: 6 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

or written by anyone but approved by the author?

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-23T08:19:30.283Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Yeah that works too.

comment by BrianTan · 2020-06-26T06:49:02.108Z · score: 11 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I think the EA Forum should allow authors to pick one of the images they attached into their post as the "preview image" when the post is shared on social media sites like Facebook and Twitter.

I don't think this feature currently exists, and I think it would help drive traffic to the EA Forum whenever posts are shared. I'm assuming that the authors would link an image that is more enticing than the standard EA forum logo, which would result in slightly higher click-through rates. Medium.com and most other CMS's allow you to pick a preview image. I think Medium.com's UI for picking a "featured image" is a good example of how to design this feature.

comment by Habryka · 2020-06-26T20:23:48.241Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I am reasonably confident that we use the first image that is used in a post as the preview image, so you can already mostly do this.

comment by BrianTan · 2020-06-27T03:30:22.596Z · score: 4 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Hm I tried linking a recent EA Forum post with an image [EA · GW] (image is at the bottom) just now on Facebook, and the EA forum photo is still the one showing up. I tried running it via the Facebook sharing debugger and pressing "Scrape Again", but it still shows the same photo.

comment by Habryka · 2020-06-27T04:19:22.051Z · score: 5 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Huh, you're right. I will look into it.

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-20T13:01:33.201Z · score: 11 (4 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Pingbacks should include comments

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-20T09:51:29.600Z · score: 11 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Dark mode.

comment by Maxdalton · 2020-06-30T07:43:07.640Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I don't know if you've seen ea.greaterwrong.com - that has a dark mode (in the left hand menu). 

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-20T13:20:52.885Z · score: 10 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

An option to automatically move a shortform post to a top level post

comment by Habryka · 2020-06-28T07:57:13.744Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Yeah, I agree with this. I actually think we have an admin-only version of a button that does this, but we ran into some bugs and haven't gotten around to fixing them. I do expect we will do this at some point in the next few months.

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-28T08:34:00.622Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

🔥

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-06-28T07:12:18.373Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

So like, when I'm logged into my account, I'll see every shortform post as top level?

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-28T07:46:29.434Z · score: 9 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

No, sorry, though that might be a good idea. I meant an option to easily move a shortform post you have written to a top level post, because I've seen many cases where people write amazing shortform posts which might get a lot more visibility if they were forwarded to top level, perhaps after getting some feedback and comments from people who are more engaged with the forum to even look at the shortform. 

That should transfer all comments and Karma with it, and simply have the option of adding a title. 

I guess this should apply to all comments, not just in the shortform.

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-06-29T05:46:55.709Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I like this idea a lot. It probably lowers the effort bar for a top-level post, which I think is good.

comment by willbradshaw · 2020-07-01T12:23:15.740Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I agree this is a good idea. Not sure about regular comments, but it would be great if shortform posts had a "Promote to full post" button.

comment by Gregory_Lewis · 2020-06-20T07:49:06.302Z · score: 10 (6 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Import from HTML/gdoc/word/whatever: One feature I miss from the old forum was the ability to submit HTML directly. This allowed one to write the post in google docs or similar (with tables, footnotes, sub/superscript, special characters, etc.), export it as HTML, paste into the old editor, and it was (with some tweaks) good to go.

This is how I posted my epistemic modesty piece [EA · GW] (which has a table which survived the migration, although the footnote links no longer work). In contrast, when cross-posting it to LW2, I needed the kind help of a moderator - and even they needed to make some adjustments (e.g. 'writing out' the table).

Given such a feature was available before, hopefully it can be done again. It would be particularly valuable for the EA forum as:

  • A fair proportion of posts here are longer documents which benefit from the features available in things like word or gdocs. (But typically less mathematics than LW, so the nifty LATEX editor finds less value here than there).
  • The current editor has much less functionality than word/gdocs, and catching up 'most of the way' seems very labour intensive and could take a while.
  • Most users are more familiar with gdocs/word than editor/markdown/latex (i.e. although I can add and other special characters with the Latex editor and a some googling, I'm more familiar with doing this in gdocs - and I guess folks who have less experience with Latex or using a command line would find this difference greater).
  • Most users are probably drafting longer posts on google docs anyway.
  • Clunkily re-typesetting long documents in the forum editor manually (e.g. tables as image files) poses a barrier to entry, and so encourages linking rather than posting, with (I guess?) less engagement.

A direct 'import from gdoc/word/etc.' would be even better, but an HTML import function alone (given software which has both wordprocessing and HTML export 'sorted' are prevalent) would solve a lot of these problems at a stroke.

comment by Habryka · 2020-06-20T17:43:59.432Z · score: 12 (6 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Alas, I don’t think this is possible in the way you are suggesting it here. We can allow submission of a narrow subset of HTML, but indeed one of the single most common complaints that we got on the old forum was many posts having totally inconsistent formatting because people were submitting all kinds of weird HTML+CSS with differing font-sizes for each post, broken formatting on smaller devices, inconsistent text colors, garish formatting, floating images that broke text layout, etc.

Indeed just a week ago I got a bug report about the formatting of your old “Why the tails come apart” post being broken on smaller devices because of the custom HTML you submitted at the time. Indeed a very large fraction of old LW and EA Forum posts have broken formatting because of the overly permissible editor that old LessWrong and the old EA Forum both had (and I’ve probably spent at least 10 hours over the last years fixing posts with that kind of broken formatting).

If you want to import something from Google Docs, then exporting it to markdown and using the markdown editor is really as well as we can do, and we can ensure that always works reliably. I don’t think we can make arbitrary HTML submission work without frustrating tons of readers and authors.

I have also been working a lot on making the new editor work completely seamlessly with Google Docs copy-paste (and indeed there is a lot of special casing to specifically make copy-paste from Google Docs work). The only feature that’s missing and kind of difficult to do is internal links and footnotes, but I have not discovered any other feature that has been running into significant problems (that we would want, there are some others like left or right floating images that we don’t want because they break on smaller devices). So if you ever discover any document that you can‘t just copy paste, please send a bug report and I think we can likely make it work.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:17:18.401Z · score: 10 (7 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Link to profiles on the EA hub. How often do EAs use this website or the Hub to find people to work with? I guess someone tracks this?

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-08-03T06:52:41.046Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

People can already add this information to their Forum bios if they want to, and I encourage [EA · GW] anyone who hasn't done this to do so! 

I think linking a Forum bio to an EA Hub profile might backfire, in that a Hub profile might be more onerous to fill out than a quick bio (but maybe getting more Hub profiles would be worth the tradeoff?).

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-08-11T08:12:46.497Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

It seems there is iteration possible here. Are there more users on here or the EA Hub, if the former it might be worth using EA forum logins for the EA hub.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-20T15:46:27.733Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Perhaps these are not visible itially but you can toggle that.

comment by BrianTan · 2020-06-17T02:24:16.310Z · score: 10 (8 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Very specific and small comment, but I'd like to see the "Reply" button for comments be bigger and more noticeable. I would prefer it to be an actual button (with padding and an outline), and with a message icon beside it. It's happened to me twice where I couldn't figure out how to reply to a comment until ~30 seconds of searching for the reply button.

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-07-21T03:12:13.060Z · score: 9 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Two consecutive hyphens should autocorrect to an em dash!

That way, a parenthetical clause in the middle of your sentence - like this one - isn't offset by "space hyphen space" on either side--or, even worse, by "hyphen hyphen". Instead, autocorrect two hyphens to a nice, clean em dash—like that.

I think this is a common feature for text editors - Microsoft Word definitely uses it.

comment by willbradshaw · 2020-07-21T14:12:03.631Z · score: 8 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Interesting. I'm used to two hyphens for an en dash and three for an em dash.

comment by Jonas Vollmer · 2020-06-30T09:58:57.921Z · score: 8 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Categories / sub-fora / better overview of tags

I think it would be very helpful if the forum was made easier to navigate by creating categories/sub-fora, making tags more intuitively accessible, or some other method. E.g., how do I find the most-upvoted forum posts and comments about EA investing?

comment by willbradshaw · 2020-06-30T12:56:09.435Z · score: 6 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I think sub-fora is a somewhat contentious issue, the counter-argument being that it's good to have the Forum be a clearing-house of EA ideas without too much splintering.

I agree the tag interface could be more discoverable. If you go to https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/tags/all [? · GW] you can see a list of all tags and how many posts each one has, but there doesn't seem to be much functionality beyond a featureless alphabetical list (e.g. it would be cool to allow them to be sorted by number of posts, and for the tags page to be discoverable from the homepage).

Once you get to a specific tag, though, it seems to already have the functionality you're looking for, including different sort orders: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/tag/investing [? · GW]

comment by Jonas Vollmer · 2020-07-02T12:28:19.657Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Thanks, I wasn't aware of this!

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-20T13:05:55.461Z · score: 8 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Groups tags which users can belong to or identify with. These can be displayed publicly in the user's bio, which would allow for automatic search of people with related interest or affiliations. 

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-20T13:16:14.050Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Perhaps such groups can have a default chat conversation with all members

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-20T15:48:22.486Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I dont' know whether you want this to be a chat platform, but maybe having them function as email groups?

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-20T18:28:29.229Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

There is an existing conversation feature in the forum, so I was thinking it's enough. It also allows for notifications by mail

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-20T13:15:14.675Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Perhaps using #hashtag for something like this, so that it will be easy to create non-official tags.

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-17T19:14:42.721Z · score: 8 (7 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Having the option of suggesting edits easily, as in google docs. 

I think that it being easy for readers to add links, explanations and corrections might improve the quality of posts and enable better participation between commenters and the OP. Specifically, I think that we should link more, especially to other posts on the forum, and it would be helpful if that could be aided by commenters.

Technically, that could work by saving a history of versions (which would perhaps be a good idea anyway), perhaps by remembering the diffs in a git-like fashion. Then, readers can propose a new version which they edit just like any other post, which waits for the OP approval. 

If you allow anyone to verify edits to the post, that would be a nice way to do a mini-wiki.

comment by Habryka · 2020-06-18T17:13:22.973Z · score: 10 (7 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

That’s actually a lot of what the LessWrong team is currently working on! I don’t know yet whether we want to allow suggesting edits on all posts, but we are planning to allow wiki-like posts that allow people to submit changes.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-29T11:23:58.509Z · score: 4 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

For what it's worth I think you want this to have the minimal friction but that maybe suggestions are hidden as standard.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:27:56.427Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I've been working on something similar to this recently (I've added all my thoughts as sperate suggestions here). I am not sure you need live editing, but upovable suggestions, comments in text and requests for citations/citations seem valuable.

Would love to talk about this some time. My calendly is here https://calendly.com/nathanpmyoung/video-call

comment by Khorton · 2020-06-17T17:56:28.966Z · score: 8 (6 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Can I get email updates about a specific tag?

comment by Habryka · 2020-06-18T17:11:30.000Z · score: 7 (4 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Yep, that feature is live on LessWrong, so I expect it will go live within a few weeks on the forum.

comment by Khorton · 2020-06-18T22:24:41.957Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Great!

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-08-03T07:50:45.680Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

This feature is now live! Any tag page will give you the option to subscribe to that tag.

comment by Khorton · 2020-08-03T08:15:28.117Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Amazing!

comment by Sanjay · 2020-06-27T14:28:24.730Z · score: 7 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Could we have better help for those whose content has been (heavily) downvoted?

I often see people plaintively saying something like: "My comment has been heavily downvoted, but I have no idea why!" Can the forum be more helpful for this scenario?

Not sure what the best solution is, but here's an idea:

  • if someone's comment/post has been downvoted enough for it to have net negative status, the UI allows the user to ask for feedback (e.g. it's an option when you click on the three dots on the top right hand side)
  • if they ask for feedback, the forum contacts all those who downvoted it and also some high-karma people and links to the content and asks for feedback (which they don't have to give, and which would be anonymous)

The feature could perhaps incorporate additional features

  • to increase the probability that people provide feedback, they could be remunerated (this could an alternative use for the Forum prize money, if it was decided that forum prizes didn't incentivise people more than the existing karma system) (perhaps there would need to be some thought given to avoiding the perverse incentive for people to give downvotes too liberally)
  • the system could incorporate some mechanism to make sure that users don't overuse/abuse this feature (e.g. perhaps the user has to write out and submit to the forum what they will do differently in the future before they are allowed to use the feature again)
comment by Thomas Kwa (tkwa) · 2020-06-27T18:34:02.034Z · score: 14 (6 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I think this could be more useful for people who are slightly downvoted, or whose posts just don't get much attention. I remember a few recent highly-downvoted posts and comments (below -10 or so), and all of them seem to have well-written feedback; sometimes more thought was put into the feedback than the original post (not necessarily a bad thing, but going even further could be a massive waste of energy).

People who provide feedback also have to want to engage. On Stack Exchange, closing a question requires a reason, but mods and high-rep users are known to close poorly-written questions for vague reasons without providing much feedback. An even worse failure mode I see is if users are disincentivized from downvoting because they don't want to be added to the feedback list.

comment by willbradshaw · 2020-06-29T12:19:39.929Z · score: 7 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I also don't know what the best solution is, or if the best solution is a codebase change (as opposed to just a norm that you should avoid silently downvoting things if you can, unless feedback you agree with is already there).

But I agree this is a problem: downvoting silently achieves the function of allowing the forum to sort and filter content, but fails the function of allowing users to learn and get better.

comment by Gregory_Lewis · 2020-06-20T06:54:33.518Z · score: 7 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Footnote support in the 'standard' editor: For folks who aren't fluent in markdown (like me), the current process is switching the editor back and forth to 'markdown mode' to add these footnotes, which I find pretty cumbersome.[1]

[1] So much so I lazily default to doing it with plain text.

comment by Habryka · 2020-06-20T17:46:02.013Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Yeah, this is the current top priority with the new editor rework, and the inability to make this happen was one of the big reasons for why we decided to switch editors. I expect this will happen sometime in the next month or two.

comment by Inda · 2020-06-26T12:03:18.352Z · score: 6 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Has anyone considered a hackernews-style section? I know there is already support for posting links, but:

  • They act as posts, while their function is not at all like that in Hackernews. E.g.,
    • I don’t want my subscriptions to people show me their submitted links. At not as post notifications.
  • Hackernews thrives by banning editorialization. You can only submit a link with its original title (or a sufficiently neutral title in case the original title sucks. They have guidelines on their site, iirc.). The poster has no privilege over other users.
  • There is a culture of posting relevant links that the community finds useful. We do not have such a culture here, because we do not provide the medium and guidelines for it.

This links section will create a distributed content aggregator for our community. Considering finding relevant content in our current era is a hard problem, this can be very useful. I think a lot of us here are distasteful of surroundings ourselves with news outlets, for example. It’d be great if we could get a filtered important news list through the community. Adding features such as an RSS feed for links with X+ karma will be helpful in this endeavor.

Also see lobsters.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T17:18:32.857Z · score: 6 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

The expectation that *ALL* EA resources should be in this forum. Ideally people would post books (with the tag "book") and then new users could see which resources the community thinks are worth reading first.

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-06-28T07:03:12.424Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

That's an interesting idea for Forum v3: a wiki for all EA materials. Newcomers could go to the Forum and find Peter Singer, Doing Good Better, and links to 80,000 Hours research + new posts every day.

Related: "Should EA Buy Distribution Rights for Foundational Books?" by Cullen O'Keefe

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-29T12:48:34.107Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I think EA wikis have been tried in the past.

For what it's worth I think rather than storing information you want to store connections and allow for easy error checking. I suggest this is the non-obvious value of wikipedia.

In that regard I think a roam board would be better than a wiki.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:42:55.240Z · score: 6 (10 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Soon after publishing, hide scores on comments so people aren't biased by them. Randomise the order of comments early on.

comment by Inda · 2020-06-26T12:06:53.797Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I think greaterwrong has an option to hide karma.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T17:10:44.373Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Thanks to whoever burned this early :P I suggest this is evidence towards my point.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:12:20.675Z · score: 6 (4 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Make comments on specific sections of text which appear to the right of the text. And can be up and downvoted.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-20T15:46:49.726Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Perhaps these are not visible itially but you can toggle that.

comment by Inda · 2020-06-26T12:08:07.647Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

This will be a distracting overhead though. Also, there can be many comments on a single paragraph.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-26T14:08:14.302Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I don't think so. As I commented, parhaps these start invisible (or with little markers you can mouse over). I find it works on google docs.

what do you think?

comment by Inda · 2020-06-26T22:27:31.550Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I don’t know :) I guess the idea itself is definitely sound, but implementing it correctly might be a challenge.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-29T12:49:48.996Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I think we should upvote features we'd like and let the tech team decide what is possible to implement.

It might be hard, it might not.

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-06-28T08:34:15.655Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

What if, when you highlight text within a post, a small toolbar pops up where you can click to quote the text in your comment box?

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:04:47.419Z · score: 6 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

This thread should be linked in the intercome button under "feature requests".

If you click "submit a feature request" it should send you here.

comment by TobiasH · 2020-06-18T06:22:01.813Z · score: 6 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I'd love to have a weekly/monthly open post, where everyone could ask questions and post small ideas. I imagine something similar to LessWrongs "Open & Welcome Thread". This could make some people more comfortable with starting to contribute to the forum.

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-06-25T06:17:20.930Z · score: 5 (4 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I used to do these, but I think I phased them out when Shortform posts came along, as those appeared to serve a similar role (sharing things that you don't think merit a full post).

As it turns out, while Shortform has been useful, I think it has a different feel than open threads, so bringing them back seems like a good idea. I or another moderator may start posting them soon.

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-20T13:20:11.841Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Perhaps this can be done without an option of voting on comments, which might make this easier for people to participate in.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-20T15:45:40.773Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Aaron used to do these, I wonder why he stopped https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/rB3kQng99cXDim7XH/open-thread-45 [EA · GW]

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-17T19:25:23.832Z · score: 6 (4 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I think that karma can be gamified more. 

In StackExchange they have an option of offering bounties for questions which can be collected by answerers. If we'd have something similar here, that could serve as a good signal that someone cares about a question and has yet to get a satisfying answer. 

I'd be curious about what kinds of trades people can do if there would be a process for (probably better publicly) exchanging karma. I can imagine bets being made, offers to help editing, seeking information, a bounty on finding mistakes or whatever. 

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-06-28T07:05:53.584Z · score: 4 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

StackExchange might have some great principles to implement here, though I don't know much about it

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-17T19:28:16.975Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I do worry about people's incentives being unfavorably changed though, but it seems to me that getting more karma is sort of aligned with doing more good. Perhaps if all trades would be on a public ledger it would mitigate the possible harms as it would be easier to see who tries to game it.

comment by evelynciara · 2020-08-16T04:08:59.810Z · score: 5 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I would love to have more features for the Markdown editor, since I prefer it over the WYSIWYG editor. For example, I'd like to be able to upload images while editing in Markdown (like GitHub does). Also, a syntax cheatsheet would be wonderful.

Ideally, I'd like to be able to switch between the Markdown and WYSIWYG editors while editing a document, or have a rendered preview tab in the Markdown editor.

comment by markus_over · 2020-06-19T16:01:49.231Z · score: 5 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I'm not sure if such a feature would be worth the work it would involve, but: a very simple "editor" to very easily create probability distributions (or maybe more generally graphs that don't require mathematical formulas but just very rough manual sketching) and embed them into posts or comments could be useful. I'm not sure how often people would really use that though. Generally however, it would probably be a good thing to make probability estimates as explicit as possible, and being able to easily "draw" distributions in a few seconds and having a polished looking output could make that happen.

If this is something people would find useful, I'd be willing to spend the time to create such a component so it would theoretically just have to be "plugged in" afterwards.

comment by evelynciara · 2020-07-15T06:01:05.967Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Post and comment previews in search results!

comment by Derek · 2020-07-04T20:51:33.300Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

''Next" and "Previous" arrows/buttons at the bottom of a post, to move to the next/previous post - useful when you haven't read the forum for a while and want to catch up. This would obviously have to assume a certain ordering (e.g. chronological vs karma) and selection (e.g. all or excluding Community/Questions), which could perhaps be adjusted in Settings.

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-20T13:12:27.616Z · score: 3 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

When sending a message to a user, it should open an old instance of the conversation instead of a new conversation

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:22:41.011Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Ability to add postive or negative citations to points in an article.

The ability to request a citation on a specific point.

comment by MichaelA · 2020-09-03T09:50:48.197Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Could we get notifications if someone comments on a thread we started, but not as a direct reply to us? Currently, if I make a comment, I get a notification if Alice replies, but not if Bob replies to Alice. And I suspect Bob's replies would often relate to what I said and be interesting to me.

I've just noticed I can subscribe to comment replies on a thread, but I'm not yet sure if that captures replies to replies, and really I'd like this to be default for every comment thread I start (rather than me having to manually opt in every time).

(Apologies if someone else already mentioned this; I haven't read the other suggestions on this page.)

comment by Jonas Vollmer · 2020-06-30T09:55:57.941Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I would like to promote Wei Dai's suggestion [LW(p) · GW(p)] that it would be nice if it was possible to share drafts privately and then potentially make them public at a later point. (I think there's some chance that this is already possible, but the UX doesn't seem intuitive, otherwise I would have noticed already.)

Before implementing, it seems worth talking to users to find out whether this would actually make them more likely to share their internal work publicly at some point. It could also be good to find out whether there are any other ways that could make people more likely to share their internal work publicly.

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-06-30T18:46:22.703Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Some of this will appear with the new editor, which has collaborative editing features built in.

but the UX doesn't seem intuitive, otherwise I would have noticed already

I admire your confidence. There's a sense in which if an experienced user doesn't know about a feature, it isn't well designed. OTOH, I assign some probability you've forgotten what the new post dialogue looks like.

comment by Jonas Vollmer · 2020-07-02T12:27:11.553Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Very cool!

I think for me personally, this would work better if there were two buttons at the end – one called "publish", one called "share as draft with users" or something like that. That puts it more in the reference class of "this is a form of publishing my work" rather than "here's some additional feature that I don't understand how it works".

Also: I notice that my wording was a bit unfriendly – apologies, I would like to retract that. :)


EDIT: It seems that drafts don't support comments. I think this is one of the main features I was hoping for.

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-07-02T13:31:32.668Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Re: your edit - yep, that will come with the new editor, though maybe not in the first iteration.

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-29T11:40:58.000Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Can we have a nice "Community Events" section like in LW? Can it integrate automatically with the International EA Events Calendar [EA · GW]?

comment by Larks · 2020-06-26T15:31:41.726Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

If I am on the main page, it might be nice if center-clicking on the 'Show Previous Comment' button opened that comment tree in a new tab. At the moment you can center-click the date to open a comment in a new tab, and then separately need to click 'Show Previous Comment'.

comment by Inda · 2020-06-26T11:51:59.283Z · score: 2 (4 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I am curious, why isn’t the greaterwrong frontend getting adopted as the primary UI? It’s much faster, much more touch-friendly, customizable, and generally rocks. Its only downpoint is that it lacks features compared to LW, which should be solved in, say, 6 months? That would be a major QoL improvement. The LW UI frequently hangs on my iPad, it’s so bloated.

comment by Inda · 2020-06-26T11:47:37.320Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Is it hard to make here and Lesswrong more compatible? I am thinking of a cross-posting feature that has comments of both forums. Linking the accounts (for subscriptions, for example. Karma maybe.) also seems nice.

comment by willbradshaw · 2020-06-25T14:00:51.633Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Probably this should go on LessWrong rather than here, but: it would be great if the Markdown editor could handle basic image formatting, rather than stripping out all the HTML so all my images revert to maximum-width.

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-20T18:31:55.616Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Option to reply to personal messages directly from email. Say, some form of a widget in the email notifications with a text box.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:13:52.056Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Be able to edit the text of articles which leaves hidden suggestions. Others can turn this feature on and upvote them. Highly upvoted suggests appear as comments.

Perhaps this feature would only be available for people above a certain karma.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:05:38.088Z · score: 2 (4 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

As assumption that there are some "evergreen" questions like this one, which periodically the community should spend time thinking on.

Please comment with other such questions

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T17:20:56.059Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

"What should our community guidelines be?"

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T17:20:35.946Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

"Please order these cause areas by importance" -> how does the community's thoughts compare to 80k's?

comment by Jamie_Harris · 2020-08-16T11:42:35.840Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I like listening to articles on "Voice aloud reader." I think that the easiest way to use this is to open a PDF file. So some method of converting forum posts into PDF's might be useful, even if it stripped out images, graphs etc.

(Pretty low priority, feel free to ignore if not common. It's also possible I just haven't played around with Voice Aloud Reader and similar software enough)

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-07-14T22:47:44.662Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Command + K should add a hyperlink!

comment by Habryka · 2020-07-15T03:58:39.721Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

This is also the case in the new editor! Sorry for not having this for so long!

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-07-15T08:34:49.612Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Cool, thanks.

comment by jackmalde · 2020-07-14T12:19:37.929Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I sometimes think of an idea for a forum post that I want someone other than me to write about, perhaps because I don't have the expertise or time to write it.

An idea could be to have a dedicated area to suggest posts for someone else to write. These suggestions could be upvoted or downvoted so that we can see what the community would most like to see written about.

It would be good to have a way to stop say twenty people then writing the same post at the same time. Perhaps people could put their name next to the suggestions that they are interested in taking on. I'm not saying that we can't have more than one person writing on a specific topic, but this could give some indication of how many people feel like they can write on the topic and are interested in doing so.

Would be interested in hearing thoughts on this idea.

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-08-03T07:56:17.361Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

We have a thread for this [EA · GW]! It's not on the homepage anymore, but people who track new comments will still see what you post there, it will come up in search results, etc.

It's possible that I should resurface this thread once in a while to collect new suggestions.

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-07-14T09:37:16.556Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

On mobile, you could shrink the menu bars on the top and bottom of your screen (where the top has the Forum logo, and bottom has “all posts” and other navigation bars). Smaller navbars -> More screen space for reading -> easier to read and comment.

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-07-14T11:23:01.477Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

What page are you on when you want this? Do you spend a lot of time reading Recent Discussion on the homepage? On posts the header goes away when you scroll down and the bottom bar never appears at all.

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-07-14T14:47:04.672Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

When reading the text of a post. You’re right, it’s totally good when scrolling downwards— I’m having trouble when writing comments, scrolling up and down between the text and my comment and getting blocked by the bars.

comment by Mati_Roy · 2020-06-30T09:05:34.323Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Have a nice format for linkpost in shortform.

With the goal of having the forum fully replace the EA subreddit at some point.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-29T11:42:00.466Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

It has taken me a long time to find the EA online events calendar (thanks @EdoArad) could this be displayed more prominently

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ie5uop71imftf4ut2htbv789v8@group.calendar.google.com

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-06-29T13:22:28.771Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

This post [EA · GW] (which links to the calendar and other resources) has been pinned on the Community page for weeks. I could also pin it on the main page, but I have a much higher bar for that, because it means everyone will see it every time they come to the Forum (and it doesn't really fit the Frontpage category).

comment by ishaan · 2020-06-28T13:02:17.988Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I posted some things in this comment, and then realized the feature I wanted already existed and I just hadn't noticed it - which brings to mind another issue: how come one can retract, overwrite, but not delete a comment?

comment by willbradshaw · 2020-06-28T13:19:21.995Z · score: 9 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I think in the case of regular comments there's a desire not to let people edit the record too much; if you say something you no longer endorse the intended action is that you retract it (which applies strikethrough but leaves the comment standing).

Of course, there are some issues with this setup:

  • One can edit one's comments freely, so it's easy enough to remove unwanted content anyway (as we see here, and in the occasional comment consisting entirely of a struckthrough ".").
  • If the original comment is yours and no-one has responded to it, there's no conversation to protect, so I'm not sure blocking deletion makes much sense.
  • Since shortform is implemented as one big comment thread, it's impossible to delete shortform posts except by asking a mod to do it (I've run into this one myself). So one has less power over one's own shortform feed than one's major posts, which seems backwards to me given the intended purpose of shortform.
comment by Khorton · 2020-06-28T22:38:51.964Z · score: 8 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Yeah, I really dislike that I can't delete comments.

comment by Habryka · 2020-06-29T04:04:00.294Z · score: 6 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

We actually just deployed the ability for users to delete their own comments if they have no children (i.e. no replies) for lesswrong. So I expect that will also be up on the EA Forum within the next few weeks.

comment by Brendon_Wong · 2020-06-27T01:50:38.630Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Making it possible for people to add a bio in their profile (that supports external links) so people can get a better idea of someone's background and interests when reading posts and comments.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-26T14:11:49.545Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Is there an equivalent post on lesswrong for this discussion?

comment by jacobpfau · 2020-06-24T21:19:59.392Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Perhaps include a short form subsection under the Forum Favorites section? It seems to me that most short form posts have very low visibility.

If the forum admins have traffic statistics, they should be able to get a better sense of the visibility issue than I can. In particular, I suspect the short form section receives a fraction of the traffic of the frontpage, but this should be verified empirically.

comment by Brendon_Wong · 2020-06-23T08:04:03.051Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Can tags be linked to (this page [? · GW]) for easy access? How about grouping the tags into a hierarchy for ease of use and discovery, rather than just organizing them alphabetically?

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-06-23T08:08:55.050Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

By the first suggestion, do you mean having each individual tag's page include a link to the list of all tags?

comment by Brendon_Wong · 2020-06-23T08:10:15.729Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I was initially thinking of including a link to the tags page in the sidebar on the home page, but that is another good idea as well. Including tags in the metadata subheader under article titles on the home page would also increase the prominence/usage of this feature.

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-08-03T07:58:19.613Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

We now have a sidebar link to this page [? · GW].

comment by EricHerboso · 2020-06-22T18:52:36.072Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

When performing a search, the search results page uses "LW Search - EA Forum" as the contents of the title tag. I doubt this is an intentional reference to this forum being a fork of the lesswrong forum, so I assume the "LW" part should be removed.

By the way, I looked for 60 seconds to find where to post this small bug report, but the only options I saw was the unlisted contact us page, which seems to send a message to content people rather than the people that work on the codebase of the forum. This page is the only place where I could quickly find a way to get a message to whomever does the technical side of the forum.

So I suppose my feature request is: Provide a new place for users to quickly submit bug reports; or, if such a place already exists, make it more prominent.

comment by EricHerboso · 2020-06-22T18:56:01.049Z · score: 5 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

...and literally thirty seconds later, I appear to have found the bug report submission form is intended to be the Intercom on the side of every single page. I feel a little bit ashamed about this, but it just didn't occur to me that I should give bug reports there.

comment by Ben Pace · 2020-06-24T22:00:26.876Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Hah! You're forgiven. I've seen this sort of thing a lot from users.

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-06-25T18:09:23.790Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

On the object level, the search title bug is fixed on staging and should be deployed soon. On the meta level, the contact us page is on the sidebar as well. You were correct that it reaches Aaron not me, but if it’s a technical problem it will quickly get forwarded to me. Aaron just clarified the page to say that emailing Aaron is a good way to get to me.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-20T09:56:19.360Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

WebMonetization - this takes about 30 minutes to add to a website, ask me how. Then anyone who has Coil would give money to this site - (maybe then just give it to charity).

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:24:10.411Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Community threads on each of impact, tractability and neglectedness of different cause areas. Would be interesting to see if their ordering agrees with 80k.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:23:20.377Z · score: 1 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Numbers in articles which get multiplied at the end. The ability for the community to forecast these numbers and it change the overall result.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:18:50.804Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

A portal for booking a call with an EA.

How often are poeple connected throught the EA hub? How often did poeple connect at EAGx virtual. If connections are valuable, this is a way they could happen more.

I've put some different use cases in the comments.

comment by Aidan O'Gara · 2020-06-28T07:08:08.350Z · score: 4 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Roots-based approach to the same outcome: Leave an open invitation and a Calendly link in your EAForum bio.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-29T11:34:32.421Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Sure but you could reduce the friction on that. And ideally make it more trackable.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T17:14:26.386Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

There could be a "new to EA, book a call" button and EAs could sign up to a call. This would be very welcoming.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:21:05.564Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

A way this could work is that EAs could log in wiht their calendly and then a visitor would choose a time and it would randomise among EAs who were free.

The main thing is that you want the friction to be low enough that it gets used.

EA seems to think networking is valuable enough to arrange conferences. This would expand that.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:16:12.273Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Comment guidelines which suggest single points per comment to allow more effective upvoting.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:15:48.970Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Ability to split comments into multiple seperate comments. This could be limited to poeple who are higher karma.

comment by saulius · 2020-07-01T08:41:15.430Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Do you mean to do this to comments written by other people? Because you can already do this for your own comments by editing them and making more comments. But even that is problematic if anyone already voted on the comment.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T16:06:33.335Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Icons on pages to show that other, anonymous people are reading them. I think this would increase engagement. This can be cheaply tested.

Examples, googledocs.

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-20T06:22:39.815Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Must say that these usually causes me a slight anxiety for some reason. Something about other people knowing what I read and when I entered which document makes me feel uncomfortable.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-20T09:45:15.452Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I think it should be anonynous rather than showing which user you are.

comment by EdoArad (edoarad) · 2020-06-20T10:57:12.692Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I meant even in that case!

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-19T18:21:08.865Z · score: -15 (9 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

High karma individuals can edit others comments for clarity.

I edited this for clarity.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-20T15:50:07.443Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

No pressure, but I'd be really interested to know why everone hates this idea. Maybe I've phrased it badly.

comment by JP Addison (jpaddison) · 2020-06-24T17:57:00.084Z · score: 5 (3 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I didn't vote on it (nor do I think I should be voting on any comments in this thread), but I'd guess it has to do with the following: How do you tell edits for clarity from edits that change the meaning? You could imagine this getting heated on high stakes threads.

comment by Nathan Young (nathan) · 2020-06-26T14:11:27.783Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

It says who has edited it and how. I think you'd be careful when using it and if someone abused it it would be clear to everyone that they had done so.

comment by willbradshaw · 2020-06-28T13:22:33.204Z · score: 11 (5 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I also didn't vote on it but I do kind of hate this idea. I definitely don't want anyone else editing my comments "for clarity"; if they want to clarify something, they can leave a reply comment and ask if that's actually what I meant.

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