Is fundraising through my hobbies an effective use of my time?

post by warrenjordan · 2020-01-23T06:14:12.253Z · score: 4 (3 votes) · EA · GW · No comments

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I've been thinking of starting a blog or a Twitch stream, which I want to dedicate all net revenue towards EA charities. I love my day job; it's impactful (improving access to US healthcare) and pays very well such that I can donate while living a comfortable life. Thus, I don't need the extra money that may come from my hobbies.

However, I'm hesitant since both activities are going to take significant time investment with minimal ROI in the beginning. I feel like it'll be fun to start, but it'll become a grind when I realize I'm not raising much money for the time I'm putting in. What if that time is better spent elsewhere for practicing EA?

I thought about doing freelance / volunteer work with my skills, but I think that's too close to work for me such that I won't enjoy doing it - yet, it would be highly effective.

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answer by Khorton · 2020-01-23T22:14:02.817Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

What do you want out of your time?

Immediate lives saved? Impact on the distant future? Building new skills? Widening your professional network? Having a good time?

Once you know what you want, and which of the above you consider to be "effective" uses of your time, you'll have a better answer to your question.

More in the same vein in this article: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/ScLHyCY6JCr5FtuiY/effective-volunteering [EA · GW]

comment by warrenjordan · 2020-01-23T23:02:09.794Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Maybe "effective" is the wrong word to describe my feelings about this.

To piggy off of aarongertler's comment - it seems like I have more than one goal of what I want out of my time. Through my day job, I want to save lives, have impact on the distant feature, build new skills and widen my professional network. I'm very fortunate that I get all those things and have a good time as well.

Whereas blogging and Twitch streaming, I want to have a good time doing it, but also make an impact so that I feel much more satisfied/fulfilled/motivated in doing it. Otherwise, my fear is that it would become a waste of time.

answer by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-01-23T10:28:02.602Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

Making money from Twitch or blogging is very difficult. I think you'll enjoy the process of blogging/streaming a lot more if you aren't doing it with revenue in mind, at least until you reach a reasonable following.

For perspective: Twitch streamers make ~$3.50/month/subscriber. If your job pays, say, $50/hour, you'd need 100 Twitch subscribers (which I'd guess would take months to accomplish even if your stream is polished and highly watchable from the beginning) to pull in revenue equivalent to working seven more hours each month. 

(Of course, you may not be able to "add hours" in that fashion, but I still find the comparison helpful -- and you may be able to do some freelance consulting or something like that.)

This seems like a classic case of it being okay to have more than one goal [EA · GW]. Your hobbies can be hobbies without having to be impactful; your work, if it is your primary source of impact, seems like a better place to focus if you want to boost that impact.

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All that aside, if you do build a strong following on a blog or stream, that can be a good opportunity to advertise effective giving, and it probably won't hurt donations if you mention that they go toward really good charities.* I've considered doing this if I ever open my own Twitch stream up for donations.

*...although, come to think of it, many people probably donate to streamers/bloggers in order to support their work/the cool person behind it. So perhaps the charity angle would hurt more than it helped?

comment by warrenjordan · 2020-01-23T22:46:16.994Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I think you hit the nail on the head about being okay to have more than one goal. It'd definitely be more effective to just increase donations through my day job.

An added layer on this is that I've enjoyed gaming since I was young, but have had conflicting feelings about it now that I'm older: Does this give me fulfillment and satisfaction anymore? It's fun in the moment, yet it's fleeting.

Hence why I'm exploring Twitch and donating any profit from it. In hopes that I can make an impact through gaming, and feel fulfilled from it. Perhaps I just need to start and see how I feel as I go...

comment by Aaron Gertler (aarongertler) · 2020-01-24T00:14:24.107Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

As someone who returned to a game from childhood and then began to stream it, I recommend the strategy of "start and see how you feel". Feeling obligated to do something regularly can suck the joy out of it if you aren't careful, and it would be really sad for that to happen with, of all things, video games.

 

answer by Lukas Trötzmüller (Lukas T) · 2020-01-25T08:09:55.885Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

I would think hard about what the relevant resources are that you're trading off against each other. Are your hobbies important for your well-being and relaxation? Is it possible that by starting to monetize your hobbies, you might get less enjoyment out of them? Maybe it will also create some imbalance as you spend more time on them than you otherwise would? Or perhaps it's the opposite and monetizing your hobbies would actually increase the quality of your leisure time? Perhaps you can run a time-limited experiment to find out.

Also, as a full-time online entrepreneur my opinion is that neither blogging nor streaming are particularly good income streams unless you have reason to think you would be exceptionally good in either of these.

Also, have you read this? https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3p3CYauiX8oLjmwRF/purchase-fuzzies-and-utilons-separately [LW · GW]

comment by warrenjordan · 2020-02-02T05:43:16.647Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA(p) · GW(p)

My goal isn't to become a huge blogger or streamer. The purpose of them is for leisure and any money that I make, I donate to charity. I feel like this would increase the quality of my leisure time and give me more fulfillment and satisfaction - the warm fuzzies in that article. Meanwhile, my day job is optimized for utilons.

Thanks for sharing the article. It sounds like I was trying to optimize for both, while the best approach is to do separate.

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