Preprint is out! 100,000 lumens to treat seasonal affective disorder

post by Fabienne · 2021-11-13T18:37:34.802Z · EA · GW · 9 comments

Let’s give people with winter depression (seasonal affective disorder, SAD) LOTS OF LIGHT and see what happens!

Our preprint is out now for our paper “100,000 lumens to treat seasonal affective disorder: A proof of concept RCT of bright, whole-room, all-day (BROAD) light therapy”! We have sent it to a number of professors working in that area and have received very encouraging and helpful feedback, which has made me even more excited about continuing this research.

→ Paper: https://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2021.10.29.21265530v1, short summary Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/FabienneSand/status/1457745472773296128

Jan Brauner and I are very thankful to the LessWrong/EA communities, which have inspired this first study (there will be more) and through which we have found funding. In particular, thank you Eliezer Yudkowsky for helping us find funding and for inspiring the study with Inadequate Equilibria, David Chapman for inspiring us with these two posts in the Meaningness blog, Raemon for inspiring us with this [LW · GW] LessWrong post and everyone who discussed with us setups they have tried. <3

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comment by Dvir Caspi · 2021-11-13T23:04:18.547Z · EA(p) · GW(p)

Well done!! 

I would absolutely love if you will post these results to our FB group Psychologists for Effective Altruism. (Please Join!)  

Have you tried publishing your results to Mental Health Innovation Network? It is a fantastic organization and they try to promote such novel interventions. 

And I'm sure that if your N was a bit bigger you would have reached the statistical significance that would show that BROAD is superior to the Light Box!! 


 

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comment by Fabienne · 2021-11-19T00:02:18.529Z · EA(p) · GW(p)

Thanks so much! I'm already in this group, thanks for the reminder to post there. Just did it :)

comment by markus_over · 2021-11-15T13:34:50.881Z · EA(p) · GW(p)

Nice! :)

Also, I think a few links are missing here:

David Chapman for inspiring us with these two posts in the Meaningness blog, Raemon for inspiring us with this LessWrong post

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comment by Fabienne · 2021-11-19T00:03:32.364Z · EA(p) · GW(p)

Thanks a lot! I have corrected that now :)

comment by rodeo_flagellum · 2021-11-14T03:42:49.212Z · EA(p) · GW(p)

I haven't read the paper, but this sounds interesting. There was a time when I purchased this 10,000 lumen lamp to ail my poor sentiment during the sophomore year of college. The power in my room blew out once I purchased a second lamp, and I was left without electricity in my dorm for 2 weeks. Imagine treating everyone with SAD - 100,000 lumens each. I wonder how much electricity this would be collectively. Each person would need around this amount of light for some duration of some interval of the year. What would be the net positive impact of this intervention? Would the increased productivity and mood conferred outweigh the costs of the massive electrical usage? I can imagine that it might be the case that simply living somewhere else during the worst parts of the year for people with SAD is better than a 100,000 lumen room, which I assume uses much more electrical power than most rooms. 

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comment by Thomas Kwa (tkwa) · 2021-11-14T04:14:28.765Z · EA(p) · GW(p)

How did the electricity blow out once you had 2 100W lamps? That's 200W whereas a toaster or hair dryer commonly uses 1200-1500W.

Also, energy has a price and we can just measure it. At 20c/kWh, which is above average US retail electricity cost and probably enough to pay for carbon offsets too, 200W *  1h/day  * 20c / kWh = 4 cents/day, cheaper than most antidepressants by an order of magnitude.

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comment by Lukas_Finnveden · 2021-11-14T10:22:16.486Z · EA(p) · GW(p)

For 100,000 LM, 12 hours a day, that would be 1000W * 12h/day * 20c/kwh = $2.4.

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comment by JanBrauner · 2021-11-14T13:33:06.285Z · EA(p) · GW(p)

yes, when we did the calculation, it was something like €2 per day (for ~6-8 hours per day). Still very cheap for a depression treatment :-)

comment by rodeo_flagellum · 2021-11-14T13:58:54.895Z · EA(p) · GW(p)

I was thinking more about price in terms of carbon cost, but this should follow from the USD calculation, assuming that this is roughly proportional to some quantity of CO2 released. My prior knowledge on wattage was lacking, so I guessed 100k lumen for ~8-12 hours per day to consume more electricity than it actually does.