Are there more papers on dung beetles than human extinction?

post by aarongertler · 2019-02-05T02:09:58.568Z · score: 14 (9 votes) · EA · GW · 3 comments


  Google Scholar results since 2018
  Possible caveats
  Do search term numbers matter?

Summary: Yes. But extinction can probably catch up if we put our minds to it.

From a Vox article by the wonderful Kelsey Piper:

"There are more academic papers on dung beetles than the fate of H. sapiens," Sandberg writes. That’s a bizarre state of affairs. What’s going on?


Mitigating risks requires more careful and thoughtful development of new technology, measures to avoid deployment of unsafe systems, and international coordination to enforce agreements that reduce risk. All of those are uphill battles. No wonder it’s more rewarding to study dung beetles.

I'm often suspicious of claims about the state of the world (e.g. the resources devoted to different academic subjects) based on imperfect signals about the state of the world (e.g. search results for paper topics).

"A Google search for X returns Y results" is a lazy cliche, almost totally uninformative in most places I've seen it used. "Google auto-completes X with Y" isn't much better.

But when Anders Sandberg makes a similar claim, I pay attention. Here's a graph from the paper Piper picked:

I'm too lazy to register for Scopus right now, but Google Scholar gives me similar results for 2012. For the rest of this post, I'll use "since 2018" as my base year, rather than 2012 -- with EA's influence, maybe X-risk is catching up to beetles?

Google Scholar results since 2018

Data collected on 4 February, 2019.

"Dung beetle" OR "Dung beetles": 1830 results

"Human extinction": 449

"Human extinction" OR "existential risk" OR "global catastrophic risk": 940

Okay, the beetles are winning. What if I add a some of the natural threats to humanity mentioned by Sandberg and Piper?

"Asteroid detection" OR "existential risk" OR "human extinction" OR "global catastrophic risk" OR "supervolcano" OR ("gamma ray burst" AND ("human" OR "injury" OR "danger")): 1180

Is this a decisive victory? A "dung deal", as it were?

Possible caveats

I tried removing "global" from "global catastrophic risk" and almost beat the beetles, but I discovered that "catastrophic risk" is insurance lingo which usually refers to hurricanes and droughts and other non-global hazards.

I tried adding "mass extinction" and more than doubled the beetles' score, but nearly all papers using that term are about natural history rather than future risk.

I tried removing "include citations?" for my searches. This cut down on beetle numbers (from 1830 to 1080) and didn't really affect my longest X-risk search term. Suddenly, risk came out ahead!

But then I read a sample of the papers returned by both searches. The dung beetle papers were all about, well, dung beetles. The X-risk papers referred to a motley array of topics, many of which had nothing to do with X-risk:

...and so on. Take out all of that, and the beetles are still pushing us around.

Do search term numbers matter?

Some things this comparison probably tells us:

Some things this comparison can't really tell us:

The actual problem this post made me think about:

The former could be a vast field with innumerable open questions, but it still seems difficult for most people to contribute in any reliable way; few of those open questions are listed anywhere, few classes teach these subjects, few reliable methods exist for making progress, etc.

By contrast, if you are a college student and want to start studying dung beetles, you can grab some bug traps, follow your professors to a nearby national park, and start taking samples.

...I suppose it's time for me to start soliciting lists of open questions. That post will be linked here [EA · GW] in about 15 minutes.

Please let me know if I missed anything, of course, from a more apt search term to a philosophical consideration. It would be nice to take the Dung Beetle Question from "open" to "closed".


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comment by Habryka · 2019-02-06T21:02:59.162Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA · GW

This is great! I am generally happy about people doing simple fact-checks like this, in particular on often-quoted facts.

comment by Jeremy (captainjc) · 2019-02-05T12:28:47.426Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · EA · GW

What I am wondering is, of dung beetles are a particularly hot research topic among animals/insects. They are pretty cool, but would this graph look less extreme with something like antelope or sea urchin in there - or the average number of research papers on a particular animal.

Though I guess X-Risk is more or less an entire field, so maybe the more apt comparison is with papers about animals or biology papers - in which case I'm sure it looks much worse

comment by rafa_fanboy · 2019-02-06T13:23:54.269Z · score: -6 (3 votes) · EA · GW

that was stolen from bostrom lol