Comment by julia_wise on EA Survey 2018 Series: Do EA Survey Takers Keep Their GWWC Pledge? · 2019-06-18T00:39:12.299Z · score: 10 (4 votes) · EA · GW

We're definitely aware that Giving What We Can's 2015 analysis comes away with a more optimistic conclusion than other more recent data sources like the EA Survey indicate (and I believe the Slate Star Codex survey, though I haven't seen a careful analysis of that one as it bears on Giving What We Can). We've just made some improvements to the donation recording platform, and once a few last things are ironed out we'll be sending out reminders for members to record their donations that may not have been recorded. Once people have had time to respond to those reminders, we plan to do an update on our 2015 estimates of members' follow-through.

Comment by julia_wise on Is EA Growing? EA Growth Metrics for 2018 · 2019-06-11T16:45:00.911Z · score: 16 (4 votes) · EA · GW

This is the data moderators of the main FB group have collected about number of members over time:

Comment by julia_wise on What are the Principles (guideline, moral spirit, social contract, or whatever the name is) for Effective Altruism? · 2019-06-07T14:06:04.391Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA · GW

CEA's "guiding principles of effective altruism" were an attempt at this.

Comment by julia_wise on My state allows for a 1 member nonprofit board and I like that idea in order to keep my vision. However I want to have a "board of directors", but have them as a body to give me advice, as opposed to the traditional governing board? How can I actually apply this and what non misleading title can I give to the "board of directors"? · 2019-05-29T13:06:43.699Z · score: 10 (7 votes) · EA · GW

That might be called an "advisory board."

Comment by julia_wise on Drowning children are rare · 2019-05-29T03:16:52.506Z · score: 14 (6 votes) · EA · GW

My first question was "Why the assumption that all deaths are as cheap to prevent as the marginal one?" which I see AGB has already raised there. I'll be interested to see an answer.

Comment by julia_wise on Are there groups of medical symptoms that could be impactful to be turned into a specific diagnosis? I learned that PTSD was created as a result of lobbying, previously it was just disparate symptoms. · 2019-05-24T14:38:57.949Z · score: 6 (3 votes) · EA · GW

Grief was previously considered different from depression, but with the DSM-5 it's no longer a reason to rule out a depression diagnosis. It's unclear how much antidepressants help with grief (and people have mixed feelings about whether medical treatment for grief is appropriate).

Comment by julia_wise on Minimalism and Effective Altruism · 2019-05-21T19:39:30.115Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · EA · GW

Greg Lewis's piece "Beware surprising and suspicious convergence" has some relevant ideas.

Comment by julia_wise on Minimalism and Effective Altruism · 2019-05-21T19:09:29.154Z · score: 4 (2 votes) · EA · GW

I'm in favor of evaluating which belongings/uses of time/other aspects of lifestyle are important to one's happiness, but I don't think the verdict will often be so straightforwardly in favor of minimalism across the board.

I'd be interested in whether clothes minimalism really reduces time/attention spent on clothes. My guess is that some minimalist principles are good here (having a number of clothing staples so you don't put a lot of thought into getting dressed each morning) help, while times maximalism (having a larger number of these staples so you don't have to do laundry that often) is the way to go. Personally, I found having a small number of "dearly loved" clothes items increased the amount of mental energy that went toward my clothing, while moving toward feeling less attached to any given piece has been good for having less of my attention taken up here.

As someone who's spent a lot of time in smaller living spaces (e.g. sharing a bedroom with my partner and our baby/toddler), I think larger spaces (at least more bedrooms) can have a lot of benefit for quality of sleep. Needing to lie silently until everyone else is awake, or waking them earlier than they wanted to be woken, is a real cost to either time or wellbeing.

Comment by julia_wise on Concrete Ways to Reduce Risks of Value Drift and Lifestyle Drift · 2019-05-16T15:28:37.800Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA · GW

I believe if you save something as a draft and then re-publish it, it changes the publication date. Darius, is that maybe what happened? If you know the original publication date, the moderators can change it to the original.

Comment by julia_wise on I want an ethnography of EA · 2019-05-07T19:57:43.307Z · score: 6 (3 votes) · EA · GW

To the extent that ethnography is anonymized, I could imagine people speaking more freely than they do in blog posts, interviews where they're identified, etc.

Comment by julia_wise on Should we consider the sleep loss epidemic an urgent global issue? · 2019-05-07T18:02:46.592Z · score: 11 (6 votes) · EA · GW

No particularly strong reason. I guess it seems strange that given that it would be low cost for public health systems to issue advice about this, it's not already happening more. Maybe the fact that no one really opposes it and it might be cheap to improve means that it's ripe for more attention, but maybe the fact that it hasn't already been done means EAs who aren't already working in public health can't do a lot.

It's not totally neglected - there are a ton of results for "sleep deprivation epidemic," the CDC describes sleep deprivation as a serious national problem, and my local schoolyard has a banner telling children to get 9 hours of sleep. But obviously more progress could be made.

Comment by julia_wise on Is preventing child abuse a plausible Cause X? · 2019-05-07T13:56:10.598Z · score: 12 (8 votes) · EA · GW

Copenhagen Consensus is usually the first place I look for things like this.

They cite some interventions (reduction of infanticide in UK, reduction of "severe physical violence as a method of child discipline" in US) but the notes are "unlikely that developing countries have the capacity to rollout early child discipline intervention programmes" and "difficult to generalize to low and middle income countries."

Poverty is correlated with child abuse, I would guess mostly because of parental stress.

I looked at the evidence on preventing child sexual abuse (in developed countries) a while ago: Children are safer from sexual abuse if they live with both parents, if their parents do not have substance abuse, and if their mother does not have mental illness.

So my not very informed guess is that anti-poverty interventions, maternal health interventions (to reduce maternal mortality), and pro-mental-health interventions are likely a good way to go here.

Comment by julia_wise on Should we consider the sleep loss epidemic an urgent global issue? · 2019-05-07T13:32:13.353Z · score: 3 (3 votes) · EA · GW

I don't think this is a particularly good area for EAs to tackle, but I do suspect that new parents should be more informed/reminded of the dangers of driving while sleep-deprived. I remember borrowing a car to drive to a meetup for new parents and and some point realizing, "This is ridiculous. I'm so exhausted I don't always feel confident in my ability to walk downstairs. I shouldn't be operating heavy machinery." Not like isolation is great for new parents either, but I needed to find ways to get out without driving.

Comment by julia_wise on EA is vetting-constrained · 2019-04-25T15:25:39.056Z · score: 21 (8 votes) · EA · GW

"If you look at where, for example, EA Funds spends their money, it seems like most of the funds are just going to safe bets"

I notice that this link is to the August 2018 disbursement, which was indeed all to established orgs. The two disbursements since then have included at least some grants to less established projects (November 2018, March 2019).

Comment by julia_wise on Apology · 2019-03-25T15:08:02.152Z · score: 111 (45 votes) · EA · GW

The accusation of sexual misconduct at Brown is one of the things that worried us at CEA. But we approached Jacy primarily out of concern about other more recent reports from members of the animal advocacy and EA communities.

Comment by julia_wise on You have more than one goal, and that's fine · 2019-02-28T18:27:09.274Z · score: 8 (2 votes) · EA · GW

My advice on how to decide the pots of money is basically in this post:

TL;DR: spend some time noticing how much other people and let that inform your budget, but don't try to pay attention them every day, because you probably can't go around powered by guilt forever.

That advice was written at a time when I thought of donation as basically the only path to impact, at least for myself. I do think it's worth seriously considering whether other paths are viable for you and not committing to a level of donation that will seriously reduce your ability to pursue other things. This probably won't be surprising coming from the person running Giving What We Can, but I think something like 10% is a level that's both significant and also compatible with, for example, working for a nonprofit.

I find the upside of deciding annually on my donation budget is that I can then make all the other decisions the way everyone else does. Vacation? Lunch with a friend? Donation to friend's fundraiser? They're all in the "stuff that will enrich my life" category, so I can trade them off against each other however I think will be best for me.

Comment by julia_wise on Time-series data for income & happiness? · 2019-02-20T18:03:47.691Z · score: 5 (3 votes) · EA · GW

I'd also expect people to do a thing of taking high-paying jobs with the expectation that it benefits their children more than their own happiness. I don't know if there's evidence on that.

You have more than one goal, and that's fine

2019-02-20T01:08:48.269Z · score: 78 (44 votes)
Comment by julia_wise on Will companies meet their animal welfare commitments? · 2019-02-01T14:06:46.890Z · score: 6 (4 votes) · EA · GW

This is not a question that anyone has an objective answer to.

Comment by julia_wise on Latest Research and Updates for January 2019 · 2019-01-31T16:22:28.443Z · score: 6 (5 votes) · EA · GW

I'm surprised and impressed by that BBC vertical! I wonder how much their sense of "long term" will overlap with the sense used in EA. It seems the Vox vertical on EA has needed to churn out so much content that they tend to include material that I don't see as a great fit for the theme. I hope BBC will be more relaxed about the quantity of material they need to produce, so that the material can be more on-topic.

Comment by julia_wise on Introducing Sparrow: a user-friendly app to simplify effective giving · 2019-01-17T16:30:38.410Z · score: 14 (7 votes) · EA · GW

Rafa_fanboy, I've written to you but I'm not sure if you saw the message. You consistently make comments that aren't helpful, and people regularly report them. Please try to keep your comments in the realm of "friendly and productive."

Comment by julia_wise on What Is Effective Altruism? · 2019-01-10T14:23:20.784Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · EA · GW

"Whichever will have the best life" seems very compatible with "welfare." I agree there are a lot of considerations that aren't obviously indicated by any of these definitions, though, even if they're compatible.

Comment by julia_wise on Corporate matching - good? · 2019-01-09T18:59:03.835Z · score: 6 (5 votes) · EA · GW

I think the question being asked is not quite what it seems. If you work at a company that offers corporate matching, that's great and I'd encourage you to take advantage of it.

If you are funneling money to your friend for them to give because they work for a company that offers corporate matching, that seems borderline fraudulent. Presumably what the company intends is to offer a benefit to their employees, not to their employees' friends. For more discussion:

Comment by Julia_Wise on [deleted post] 2019-01-04T20:33:08.797Z

There's a problem with the way posts are imported from some blogs, which we're working to fix.

Comment by julia_wise on Survey of EA org leaders about what skills and experience they most need, their staff/donations trade-offs, problem prioritisation, and more. · 2019-01-01T12:42:18.782Z · score: 7 (5 votes) · EA · GW

I think it's that none of the existing EA organizations would want to hire government and policy experts to their own orgs, but would very much like to see people with an EA approach working in government.

Submit questions about Giving What We Can for Q&A session December 30

2018-12-30T00:51:03.555Z · score: 17 (5 votes)
Comment by julia_wise on EA Hotel Fundraiser 1: the story · 2018-12-28T21:20:22.165Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA · GW

>The Trustees do the selecting for stays over a month. Managers for stays under a month.

I see where the Trustees are listed, but who are the Managers?

Comment by julia_wise on Response to a Dylan Matthews article on Vox about bipartisanship · 2018-12-28T13:43:26.253Z · score: 12 (9 votes) · EA · GW

He wrote one of the early articles about earning to give, as far as I know "became associated with EA" in the same way that other EAs do - by getting interested in the ideas and starting to act on them. For example, he donated a kidney.

Comment by julia_wise on How Effective Altruists Can Be Welcoming To Conservatives · 2018-12-25T13:35:49.117Z · score: 24 (11 votes) · EA · GW

Giving What We Can has always emphasized that the evidence points to some interventions being much more effective than others, although it's increased the scope of interventions it now encourages members to consider.

In keeping with the "evidence and reason" basis of effective altruism, we encourage people towards cause areas that hold up well under at least reason even if there is not yet evidence. For example, there's plenty of scientific evidence on how animals respond behaviorally and neurologically to stimuli that would be painful to humans, so it seems reasonable to conclude they do experience pain, and to consider whether interventions aimed at reducing that pain might be more effective than interventions aimed at other morally relevant populations. While the evidence on something like policy change or preventing GCRs isn't nearly as established, because they're about trying to cause or prevent something that hasn't happened yet, we think there is often good reasoning behind efforts in these areas. We see evangelism as different because believing that people who are currently alive will continue to be moral patients after we can no longer observe any evidence of them having continued consciousness, and that their holding specific religious beliefs is essential to their wellbeing in the afterlife, is called "faith" because it doesn't fully rest on either evidence or reason.

I agree there's not a terribly bright line here, and we could find more cases that could plausibly go either way. There are also more causes that some people consider best but that Giving What We Can would not accept towards the pledge, like white supremacy or destruction of the world to prevent future suffering.

Comment by julia_wise on How Effective Altruists Can Be Welcoming To Conservatives · 2018-12-23T17:07:26.091Z · score: 15 (8 votes) · EA · GW

Religious evangelism is not counted toward the Giving What We Can pledge.

We realize that some people do genuinely believe it's the best way to help others, but it's far enough from the goals of our project that we think people who want support in sticking to their goals of donation for that cause should instead connect with the many existing communities that favor funding evangelism.

Comment by julia_wise on Humane Pesticides as the Most Marginally Effective Cause · 2018-12-22T14:49:06.342Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA · GW

I assume the post was primarily about agricultural pesticides rather than home pesticides.

Comment by julia_wise on Is it better to be a wild rat or a factory farmed cow? A systematic method for comparing animal welfare. · 2018-12-21T14:50:14.503Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA · GW

Yeah, I think there's a bad dynamic where people who have read Tomasik either seriously or jokingly propose "pave everything" and other people find that alarming and want nothing to do with any ideas that could lead in that direction. I spent years intentionally not reading Tomasik because I was afraid it would make me into some kind of fanatic.

Comment by julia_wise on How Effective Altruists Can Be Welcoming To Conservatives · 2018-12-21T14:41:14.679Z · score: 20 (10 votes) · EA · GW

I don't think it's an absurd example. It's come up seriously as a question about how Giving What We Can members can donate as part of their pledge.

Comment by julia_wise on Is it better to be a wild rat or a factory farmed cow? A systematic method for comparing animal welfare. · 2018-12-07T03:26:17.091Z · score: 13 (8 votes) · EA · GW

I find that discussion about wild animal suffering very quickly gets to "but it would be ludicrous to believe X because then we'd have to do Y." I think it's better to focus on "How might we find out if X is true" rather than the drastic consequences that would have.

As a parallel, people in power have often found it convenient to believe that slaves, immigrants, poor people, etc have naturally higher pain tolerance than themselves and thus it's not a problem for them to do hard labor, have inadequate medical care, etc. The fact that changing this belief would have disruptive consequences doesn't have anything to do with its accuracy.

Comment by julia_wise on EA gifts for kids? · 2018-12-06T18:36:17.075Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA · GW

Yeah I noticed with "cleaning equipment"there's a very clear distinction between 1. homemade brushes, 2. storebought brooms, and 3. vacuum cleaners.

Comment by julia_wise on Notes on “The Art of Gathering” · 2018-12-06T18:26:33.901Z · score: 7 (6 votes) · EA · GW

Thanks, I wouldn't have read this full book but these seem like really useful things for group and event organizers to think about! I'm cross-posting to the group organizers FB group.

Comment by julia_wise on EA gifts for kids? · 2018-12-01T16:37:28.209Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA · GW

Wow, that's a great resource.

The book is different in tone in that it doesn't explicitly point out things that are lacking (like running water) in a given household, and I don't remember picking up on the class differences as a kid - partly because we looked most at the children with prettiest clothes! So definitely more in the "global solidarity" vein more than the "look how different things are" vein.

Comment by julia_wise on Would killing one be in line with EA if it can save 10? · 2018-11-30T04:00:56.708Z · score: 17 (8 votes) · EA · GW

A short answer might be "In real life, people view these two scenarios very differently, and ignoring psychology and sociology may get you some interesting thought experiments but will not lead you anywhere useful when working with actual humans."

Or to quote the EA Guiding Principles:

"Because we believe that trust, cooperation, and accurate information are essential to doing good, we strive to be honest and trustworthy. More broadly, we strive to follow those rules of good conduct that allow communities (and the people within them) to thrive." Not killing people seems like a pretty basic requirement for trust and cooperation. There are socially-agreed-upon exceptions like governments having use of force, but even those are divisive.

Some other writing that's addressed this:

Comment by julia_wise on EA gifts for kids? · 2018-11-28T15:38:33.666Z · score: 4 (3 votes) · EA · GW

Last night my 4-year-old saw a photo from a water charity of a baby bottle filled with dirty water. She was very interested ("What IS that?"). Especially for kids with an interest in germs, the idea of not having clean water might be an interesting one that could be tied to a donation to somewhere like Dispensers for Safe Water:

Comment by julia_wise on MIRI 2017 Fundraiser and Strategy Update · 2018-11-26T20:08:40.576Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA · GW

Fixed, sorry about that!

Comment by julia_wise on EA gifts for kids? · 2018-11-23T19:32:45.476Z · score: 8 (6 votes) · EA · GW

The updates on the Give Directly site might be good to look at together - they're people's real responses about what they do with the money they receive and how it's changed their circumstances.

We also love the book "Children Just Like Me", with pictures and interviews of children around the world. I haven't read the new edition, but the 1990s version I grew up with featured the whole range from children living in developed countries to in children living in extreme poverty (for example one child whose family survives by picking trash from a dump in India). I like the approach of presenting them all as children with similarities (featuring their answers about their favorite foods, what they like to do with their friends, etc.) But it also gives a lot of food for thought about the different environments the featured children live in.

Comment by julia_wise on William MacAskill misrepresents much of the evidence underlying his key arguments in "Doing Good Better" · 2018-11-20T19:00:17.260Z · score: 19 (12 votes) · EA · GW

I'm sorry, this was my fault. You sent me a draft and asked me not to share it, and a few days later in rereading the email and deciding what to do with it, I wasn't careful and failed to read the part where you asked me not to share it. I shared it with Will at that point, and I apologize for my carelessness.

Comment by julia_wise on Getting past the DALY: different measures of "positive impact" · 2018-11-20T18:45:13.472Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA · GW

I wonder if it's because some women have subsequent births that re-open the problem?

Comment by julia_wise on "Taking AI Risk Seriously" – Thoughts by Andrew Critch · 2018-11-19T20:50:30.857Z · score: 2 (1 votes) · EA · GW

Yeah, I think having the full name in the title of the crosspost is all that's needed.

Comment by julia_wise on "Taking AI Risk Seriously" – Thoughts by Andrew Critch · 2018-11-19T16:59:46.409Z · score: 11 (10 votes) · EA · GW

I suggest using full names like "Andrew Critch" rather than more ingroup-y nicknames.

Comment by julia_wise on the role of ART in EA? · 2018-11-13T17:26:28.759Z · score: 6 (5 votes) · EA · GW

Hi! I wrote a piece about this:

edited to add some other resources:

  • Artists and Designers in EA:
  • 80,000 Hours on EA & art:
  • An arts advocate interviews GiveWell:
Comment by julia_wise on Is Suffering Convex? · 2018-10-24T12:44:28.261Z · score: 4 (3 votes) · EA · GW

I also think kids are built to strongly signal to adults ("this is bad, fix it"/"this is good, more of this"), but my impression is that they do that by giving accurate signals - they do feel quite distressed when they're acting distressed. They do seem to change emotion much faster than adults, which I think can throw off adult intuitions about how real the child's emotions are. I wonder if something like cortisol levels would be helpful in comparing.

Comment by julia_wise on Mind Ease: a promising new mental health intervention · 2018-10-23T17:57:35.081Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA · GW

I was about to say - this seems similar to the Pacifica app. My guess is that you may have a more evidence-based approach than most app builders?

Comment by julia_wise on Is Suffering Convex? · 2018-10-21T19:24:27.859Z · score: 7 (4 votes) · EA · GW

Interesting, I hadn't thought about this!

[content note: death, cancer]

My intuition is that while more complex minds (e.g. adults) can contextualize experiences, this goes both ways. E.g. a family member could contextualize her surgery to remove a cancer, which made it less bad than it would have been to a child experiencing the pain without understanding of why it was in their best interest. But after it became clear that she was going to die, the remaining 18 months of her life was much worse for her because of that knowledge and the anxiety and depression it brought. I guess I'd expect that children's most extreme experiences of pain and unhappiness are more severe, but that context brings both positive and negative experiences closer to the middle for adults.

(I tried to think of times when deeper understanding a situation might bring an adult greater satisfaction and triumph than a child has, but it's extremely hard to top a delighted three-year-old.)

Comment by julia_wise on Open beta of the new EA Forum now available · 2018-10-19T12:30:45.635Z · score: 3 (3 votes) · EA · GW

Copied from JP Addison's response to the same comment on the beta Forum:

"Hi, sorry for the confusion. I agree it’s suboptimal to have the duplicated Forums, and am working as fast as I can to get it up. I think it is good to have the new Forum get tested and for people who wish to to get familiar with it before redirecting the entire Forum traffic to it. It is a fork of the LW codebase, but there are enough changes to have allowed many bugs to have been caught already. I’m aiming to have the new Forum up before Friday Nov 2nd, or the week after. I have been less good than I might have hoped at making timing predictions however, and have tried to avoid having people plan around predictions that have not proved well-calibrated. Thanks for your patience."

Comment by julia_wise on Open beta of the new EA Forum now available · 2018-10-19T12:29:01.370Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · EA · GW

Yes, we'll be adding more features like sequences later in the year.

Comment by julia_wise on Forum moving to open beta this week · 2018-10-18T13:37:06.410Z · score: 4 (3 votes) · EA · GW

Yes! You should be able to post by clicking on your username in the upper right, and selecting "New Post."

Open beta of the new EA Forum now available

2018-10-18T02:59:49.556Z · score: 12 (12 votes)

Forum moving to open beta this week

2018-10-15T21:24:30.107Z · score: 4 (3 votes)

Additional plans for the new EA Forum

2018-09-07T15:35:47.733Z · score: 5 (16 votes)

Self-care sessions for EA groups

2018-09-06T15:55:12.835Z · score: 11 (8 votes)

EA syllabi and teaching materials

2018-09-05T18:19:10.207Z · score: 12 (8 votes)

How to use the Forum

2018-09-05T17:22:55.831Z · score: 33 (16 votes)

Upcoming AMA with Holden Karnofsky on job openings at the Open Philanthropy Project (Monday March 26, starting 9:30 am Pacific)

2018-03-23T13:57:53.133Z · score: 9 (9 votes)

A contact person for the EA community

2018-01-12T17:04:14.404Z · score: 53 (54 votes)

Changes to the EA Forum

2017-07-02T17:34:18.441Z · score: 19 (23 votes)

Upcoming AMA with Luke Muehlhauser on consciousness and moral patienthood (June 28, starting 9am Pacific)

2017-06-21T21:56:48.696Z · score: 13 (15 votes)

A mental health resource for EA community

2017-05-06T02:07:05.630Z · score: 24 (21 votes)

Advisory panel at CEA

2017-03-07T01:49:08.971Z · score: 22 (28 votes)

Practical political action on global health

2017-02-27T15:01:54.575Z · score: 22 (22 votes)

Clarifying the Giving What We Can pledge

2017-02-06T20:07:29.719Z · score: 39 (39 votes)

EAs write about where they give

2016-12-09T16:00:28.601Z · score: 18 (18 votes)

Running an EA reading group

2016-12-02T16:21:45.435Z · score: 14 (14 votes)

Making EA groups more welcoming

2016-07-29T01:09:18.503Z · score: 19 (21 votes)

Guidelines on depicting poverty

2016-03-28T14:24:32.423Z · score: 22 (36 votes)

Against segregating EAs

2016-01-21T16:15:37.410Z · score: 29 (39 votes)

An embarrassment of riches

2015-11-19T18:23:28.370Z · score: 23 (23 votes)

Burnout and self-care

2015-10-23T13:15:26.672Z · score: 20 (20 votes)

Meetup : Boston dinner/discussion

2015-02-20T02:47:41.839Z · score: 0 (0 votes)

On making spaces friendlier to parents

2015-01-27T22:06:13.728Z · score: 11 (15 votes)

How much does it cost to have a child?

2014-12-24T15:06:18.236Z · score: 14 (14 votes)

Aim high, even if you fall short

2014-10-11T17:26:53.809Z · score: 28 (28 votes)

Where I'm giving and why: Julia Wise

2013-12-27T20:05:48.000Z · score: 1 (1 votes)

Giving now vs. later: a summary

2013-07-23T04:00:39.000Z · score: 10 (10 votes)


2013-06-21T04:00:03.000Z · score: 33 (33 votes)