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Heywood Foundation Public Policy Prize Entry - Existential Risk and Prediction Markets 2021-03-16T18:18:57.506Z
Where would you look for an EA job applications support group? 2021-03-16T12:28:23.708Z
How many hits do the hits of different EA sites get each year? 2021-03-04T16:34:00.664Z
What is something the reader should do? 2020-09-24T16:08:47.422Z
Economist: "What's the worst that could happen". A positive, sharable but vague article on Existential Risk 2020-07-08T10:37:08.017Z
What EA questions do you get asked most often? 2020-06-23T17:12:09.583Z
What are good sofware tools? What about general productivity/wellbeing tips? 2020-06-15T11:47:30.417Z
What is your favourite readings for weddings/ funerals/ important community events? 2020-05-28T11:14:57.508Z
What question would you want a prediction market about? 2020-01-19T14:16:57.356Z
What content do people recommend looking at when trying to find jobs? 2019-12-19T09:50:21.395Z
UK General Election: Where would you look for impact analysis of policy platforms? 2019-11-14T17:13:17.459Z
A rationalism discussion with some useful lessons on culture 2019-11-05T09:29:30.150Z
Nathan Young's Shortform 2019-11-05T09:11:05.415Z
Ineffective Altruism: Are there ideologies which generally cause there adherents to have worse impacts? 2019-10-17T09:24:22.687Z
Who should I put a funder of a $100m fund in touch with? 2019-10-16T10:22:51.502Z
How to do EA Global well? How can one act during EA Global so as to make the most effective changes afterwards? 2019-10-16T10:21:03.573Z
I Estimate Joining UK Charity Boards is worth £500/hour 2019-09-16T14:40:14.359Z
EU AI policy and OPSI Consultation 2019-08-08T09:51:15.589Z
What are your thoughts on my career change options? (AI public policy) 2019-07-19T16:50:08.813Z
Please May I Have Reading Suggestions on Consistency in Ethical Frameworks 2019-07-08T09:35:18.198Z
How does one live/do community as an Effective Altruist? 2019-05-15T21:20:02.296Z
This website is really functional and attractive (to me) 2019-05-08T08:56:19.942Z
Is EA unscalable central planning? 2019-05-07T07:25:07.387Z
If this forum/EA has ethnographic biases, here are some suggestions 2019-05-06T11:20:51.105Z
How do we check for flaws in Effective Altruism? 2019-05-06T10:59:41.441Z

Comments

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Nathan Young's Shortform · 2021-04-11T23:15:53.534Z · EA · GW

A friend asked about effective places to give. He wanted to donate through his payroll in the UK. He was enthusiastic about it, but that process was not easy.

  1.  It wasn't particularly clear whether GiveWell or EA Development Fund was better and each seemed to direct to the other in a way that felt at times sketchy.
  2. It wasn't clear if payroll giving was an option
  3. He found it hard to find GiveWell's spreadsheet of effectiveness
     

Feels like making donations easy should be a core concern of both GiveWell and EA Funds and my experience made me a little embarrassed to be honest.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on AMA: Tom Chivers, science writer, science editor at UnHerd · 2021-03-22T11:13:22.579Z · EA · GW

Though I'm curious as to what would happen here. I would probably tweet 80k stuff in different circumstances if they became written for experts rather than amateurs. There is something very successful about engaged individuals taking and sharing 80k's stuff.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on AMA: Tom Chivers, science writer, science editor at UnHerd · 2021-03-19T15:26:40.234Z · EA · GW

And by "reading their work" you mean, be emailing and tweeting articles at journalists asking what they think? Ie what would 80,000 Hours acting like a thnk tank look like? 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on EA Survey 2019 Series: Engagement Levels · 2021-03-19T14:19:45.783Z · EA · GW

Those who consider themselves as being highly engaged in EA report taking on positions in local EA groups and EA organizations and engaging in the EA Forum and EA events at higher rates than their peers in the movement who consider themselves less involved.

To me this looks like an artefact of the original categories.

High engagement: I am heavily involved in the effective altruism community, perhaps helping to lead an EA group or working at an EA-aligned organization. I make heavy use of the principles of effective altruism when I make decisions about my career or charitable donations.

It looks to me that to self define as a high engagement EA you are being asked if you are lead a group or or work at an EA org. It doesn't seem surprising that the two correlate. 

I think I recall thinking this while I took the survey, tbh. I feel engaged, but I'm not sure I fit into that category. 

The idea that people who give significant amounts of money by EA lights*  aren't really  engaged because they don't work in EA orgs or lead groups seems unhelpful. This seems to be the case since moderate-engagement EAs both earn more and a higher percentage say they give. I say this not because it is the most important factor but because it's the one I can see in the data.

 

I might suggest that in future either this is rephrased entirely to be about "feeling very much a part of the movement" or that the first  sentence reads as follows
 

"I am heavily involved in the effective altruism community. This might mean many things,  perhaps helping to lead an EA group, attending a number of groups, giving  an amount of money  I consider significant by EA principles or working in an EA-aligned career."

Thanks again for your work.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Where would you look for an EA job applications support group? · 2021-03-17T11:55:03.687Z · EA · GW

I made a discord. Anyone can join here. https://discord.gg/aYS7Hb2s 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Where would you look for an EA job applications support group? · 2021-03-17T10:56:14.539Z · EA · GW

I think slack has higher barriers to entry. I'm going to try a discord and if it gets no takeup I can try something else. 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Where would you look for an EA job applications support group? · 2021-03-17T10:55:07.966Z · EA · GW

I think anyone is welcome to create their own facebook equivalent but I am going to make a discord.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Where would you look for an EA job applications support group? · 2021-03-17T10:53:54.267Z · EA · GW

Sure but you only have a better chance among the people who are already on the slack. EA anywhere has 176 members. That doesn't seem like that much additional benefit.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Is it possible to submit to the 80,000 Hours Jobs Board? · 2021-03-16T22:59:38.788Z · EA · GW

I would love a form to do this.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Is it possible to submit to the 80,000 Hours Jobs Board? · 2021-03-16T22:59:23.426Z · EA · GW

The best route I've found is the facebook group EA job postings.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Where would you look for an EA job applications support group? · 2021-03-16T12:29:49.031Z · EA · GW

An open WhatsApp group pointed at by a forum post

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Where would you look for an EA job applications support group? · 2021-03-16T12:29:13.431Z · EA · GW

As part of another EA discord

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Where would you look for an EA job applications support group? · 2021-03-16T12:28:55.962Z · EA · GW

An independent discord

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Where would you look for an EA job applications support group? · 2021-03-16T12:28:39.455Z · EA · GW

Facebook

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Tell us how to improve the forum · 2021-03-13T15:09:54.610Z · EA · GW

I wish I could close a comment by clicking a bar on the left-hand side (as reddit has)  rather than only the small plus at the top. Currently if I start reading a long comment (particularly on a phone) it's a far to close that particular thread.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on AMA: Tom Chivers, science writer, science editor at UnHerd · 2021-03-13T15:06:50.810Z · EA · GW

How could those reading this better support you? Is there anyone you'd like to be in touch with?

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on AMA: Tom Chivers, science writer, science editor at UnHerd · 2021-03-13T15:04:33.100Z · EA · GW

What do you think people in journalism think of EA, if anything? Are there any key errors that EA is currently making or would be likely to make in the future when dealing with journalists?

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on AMA: Tom Chivers, science writer, science editor at UnHerd · 2021-03-13T15:01:11.057Z · EA · GW

If you were given several million dollars to run a news organisation with positive impact, how do you think that would compare to GiveWell's top charities?  Do you think there is a way for funding a news org to be an impactful donation?

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on AMA: Tom Chivers, science writer, science editor at UnHerd · 2021-03-13T14:59:21.459Z · EA · GW

[meta comment] 

I think it's better to put every question as a separate comment since that allows us to up or downvote them individually. Sorry to be that guy. 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on AMA: Tom Chivers, science writer, science editor at UnHerd · 2021-03-13T14:57:21.071Z · EA · GW

The majority of the public (I guess) still gets all their news from a couple of sources. None of the major news orgs have good fact checking and most have blindspots. Do you have any thoughts on how a news organisation could provide an accurate view of the world whilst gaining a large readership?

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on AMA: Tom Chivers, science writer, science editor at UnHerd · 2021-03-13T14:53:56.427Z · EA · GW

Thanks for the work you do I consider you a top tier journalist.

Thanks particularly for making testable forecasts in your articles. 

Thanks for doing this also. I know it has benefits to you, but coming to a forum for an AMA is a cool practice.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on What are good sofware tools? What about general productivity/wellbeing tips? · 2021-03-13T14:23:51.955Z · EA · GW

Start work at the same time each day. 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on How many hits do the hits of different EA sites get each year? · 2021-03-10T13:21:11.179Z · EA · GW

fwiw I said hits, not unique users. I am not surprised that 80k has more uniques.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Our plans for hosting an EA wiki on the Forum · 2021-03-09T19:23:24.307Z · EA · GW

I think if you give people the option to submit jobs, either they'll use it or they won't. If they do then it will be a useful resource for EA.

I think that the off moments of 1000s of eas could be at least comparable to 80k's network tbh. 

I think my prior is that people like random crowdsourcing more than you think.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Early Alpha Version of the Probably Good Website · 2021-03-05T11:05:48.704Z · EA · GW

In the ideal case, this form would submit to the bottom of an (air)table which can be upvoted. You could send out the top ones, but I could also sort by whatever I'm interested in. 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on How many hits do the hits of different EA sites get each year? · 2021-03-04T16:34:29.128Z · EA · GW

I guess that this site will be the biggest by at least 10x.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Early Alpha Version of the Probably Good Website · 2021-03-04T12:36:23.538Z · EA · GW

Happy to do this for you, FYI, other than the upvoting part, which is non-trivial. 

Also, this is why I think the job board should be a subset of the EA wiki which is being made. There should be a  focus on making it really easy to contribute to, take specific feeds from, rank and search.

 As I comment here: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/X6SyxmhYEo4SofyAL/?commentId=Aht2k8iDatobQz2am

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Our plans for hosting an EA wiki on the Forum · 2021-03-04T09:57:15.342Z · EA · GW

I think anything would better than nothing. But yes ideally you could have a number of things to vote on - enjoyableness and usefulness. Or get people to estimate how much they'd have paid to read the book or something. But I think just straight up or down is a good place to begin.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Nathan Young's Shortform · 2021-03-03T22:49:04.001Z · EA · GW

Clubhouse Invite Thread

1) Clubhouse is a new social media platform, but you need an invite to join
2) It allows chat in rooms, and networking
3) Seems some people could deliver sooner value by having a clubhouse invite
4) People who are on clubhouse have invites to give
5) If you think an invite would be valuable or heck you'd just like one, comment below and then if anyone has invites to give they can see EAs who want them.
6) I have some invites to give away.
 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Our plans for hosting an EA wiki on the Forum · 2021-03-03T15:35:19.749Z · EA · GW

Allow the submission, search and ranks of jobs.

There is no reason why the EA forum shouldn't become an even more effective jobs board than 80k.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Our plans for hosting an EA wiki on the Forum · 2021-03-03T14:49:15.529Z · EA · GW

Allow every page to have a karma rank and then advanced search and ranking

Want to find the best EA books? Rank them by Karma
Want to find the EA orgs in animal advocacy? Search them by that filter. Etc etc.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Our plans for hosting an EA wiki on the Forum · 2021-03-03T14:47:53.904Z · EA · GW

Allow pages to have numerical entries 

This is a database, so it might as well have room for numerical entries. Allow pages around projects to have estimates of number of staff, spending, etc etc added and searched.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Our plans for hosting an EA wiki on the Forum · 2021-03-03T14:46:00.494Z · EA · GW

Combine EA hub profiles and EA forum profiles and then allow them to be easily tagged

 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Our plans for hosting an EA wiki on the Forum · 2021-03-03T14:42:19.029Z · EA · GW

A focus on user experience.

The core aim should be to make this database something that EAs actually use to find things in their daily lives. 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Our plans for hosting an EA wiki on the Forum · 2021-03-03T14:41:38.657Z · EA · GW

Use Roam.

I find Roam a fantastic database building tool and it might be good to just use it here rather than building our own.

I don't think this is a great suggestion since I think we'll want different features, but if it could be built on top of Roam, I think it would be much better. 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Our plans for hosting an EA wiki on the Forum · 2021-03-03T14:40:00.578Z · EA · GW

In-page search for pages to link to

Ideally it would be really easy to link to other pages in this EA wiki. I think the normal nomenclature is [[page]] and if there were a search feature as well, it would lead to everything being more networked. 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Our plans for hosting an EA wiki on the Forum · 2021-03-03T14:36:07.897Z · EA · GW

Low friction editing

I'd love to see it being very easy to suggest an edit on a page, even if that edit requires approval. An edit button at the top which immediately allows you to add suggestions for instance.

Even better would be that all pages are editable all the time and that anyone can type as they read, but I doubt that will be popular (though it would generate much more editing).

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Early Alpha Version of the Probably Good Website · 2021-03-03T12:25:53.846Z · EA · GW

I'd love an easy form for submitting EA jobs. 

Currently my best workflow is to log into facebook and create a post on "EA Job Postings". I wish there were a google form. 

Thanks for your work. Love the MVP approach.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on RyanCarey's Shortform · 2021-01-05T15:34:34.296Z · EA · GW

Do you think they intend for less visibility or to signal it's a lower standard?

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on RyanCarey's Shortform · 2021-01-05T15:34:04.772Z · EA · GW

Good point.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Nathan Young's Shortform · 2021-01-02T17:33:23.673Z · EA · GW

Fun UK innovative policy competition:


https://heywoodfoundation.com/contest/

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on RyanCarey's Shortform · 2021-01-02T17:27:59.176Z · EA · GW

Maybe shortform posts could graduate to being normal posts if they get some number of upvotes?

Comment by nathan on [deleted post] 2020-12-06T00:22:09.505Z

Sorry, you're right.
 

For anyone interested, the video is here 

Comment by nathan on [deleted post] 2020-12-06T00:10:06.244Z

I don't think the coversation here goes that well. Rogan can be conspiratorially minded and so Yglesias (to my mind) tries to correct some of that, which becomes a bit patronising in tone. I wouldn't be surprised if he felt it went poorly. The youtube video has equal likes and dislikes, which is very bad (you usually expect a ratio of 10-100x more likes, I guess) .

I don't think this is particularly useful, but it does show the risk of introducing ideas on a large program which is tonally different to yours - JRE is socially conservative, politically left  but critical of the left and a bit conspiratorial, Yglesias is technocratic and wonkish. 

But good on him for mentioning GiveWell and good on Rogan for having someone relatively different on. Apologies if this is garbled, it's quite late here. Happy to explain points if necessary.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Charity Navigator acquired ImpactMatters and is starting to mention "cost-effectiveness" as important · 2020-12-05T01:35:52.405Z · EA · GW

Thanks for engaging here Elijah and thanks for your hard work. It means a lot to me and I am sure many others here. 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on Charity Navigator acquired ImpactMatters and is starting to mention "cost-effectiveness" as important · 2020-12-05T01:34:56.589Z · EA · GW

Thanks for writing this piece.

And good on Charity Navigator for the change. I hope it works out well for them and that more effective charities get more donations as a result.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on If someone identifies as a longtermist, should they donate to Founders Pledge's top climate charities than to GiveWell's top charities? · 2020-11-30T11:48:54.410Z · EA · GW

I suggest that if people were seen to be abusing the functionality people wouldn't upvote those posts.

I can understand that post karma should be worth more than comment karma though.

Also, I'm not sure how much the community cares about karma.  Not saying it doesn't, I just don't know.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on If someone identifies as a longtermist, should they donate to Founders Pledge's top climate charities than to GiveWell's top charities? · 2020-11-28T20:14:03.470Z · EA · GW

I think this is unnecessary. If you provide comments that people agree with that exactly the sort of thing we want to upvote and hence provide karma to.

What's more, it encourages other people to add their own statements to your poll to gain karma. To me, the incentives look entirely correct here.

Happy to be wrong. 

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on If someone identifies as a longtermist, should they donate to Founders Pledge's top climate charities than to GiveWell's top charities? · 2020-11-28T20:08:34.734Z · EA · GW

I think "poll comments" are a normal form of comment which should sit amongst normal comments rather than being relegated to a parent comment. Some people like to show appreciation for consensus statements, others like to upvote very specific blocks of text. This upvote system lets us order the two.

Thanks for your work Anonymous 9.

Comment by Nathan Young (nathan) on If someone identifies as a longtermist, should they donate to Founders Pledge's top climate charities than to GiveWell's top charities? · 2020-11-28T20:07:33.417Z · EA · GW

I suggest upvoted comments are those people like and hence are a legitimate means of gaining karma. If people don't like the comments, they won't upvote them, right?